We are gearing up for that. This topic will see us rating drivers from 1-10. Here is the document:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dnPSeVbYFM6KP0SW2SPGzJch7KAiLuaUvD4hpSWSHek/edit?usp=sharing
It's a very sexy document with lots of pretty formulas. The only drawback is that, in the comparisons page, the "who rates them higher?" function will only show one name even if two people offer the same rating. There's room for 2 more people, but many more is welcome. It's fairly easy to plug more people into the document!
Please guys, join us for this!
Mercedes:
Lewis Hamilton - /10
Valtteri Bottas - /10
Ferrari:
Sebastian Vettel - /10
Kimi Raikkonen - /10
Red Bull:
Daniel Ricciardo - /10
Max Verstappen - /10
Force India:
Sergio Perez - /10
Esteban Ocon - /10
Williams:
Lance Stroll - /10
Sergey Sirotkin - /10
Renault:
Carlos Sainz Jr - /10
Nico Hulkenberg - /10
Toro Rosso:
Pierre Gasly - /10
Brendon Hartley - /10
Haas:
Romain Grosjean - /10
Kevin Magnussen - /10
McLaren:
Fernando Alonso - /10
Stoffel Vandoorne - /10
Sauber:
Marcus Ericsson - /10
Charles Leclerc - /10
Order of names noted... letters used in said names disregarded.
How do we join?
Just copy & paste the above driver list into a post on this thread, repeat for each race. The one called Chrill will then whack the figures into his fancy spreadsheet thingy.
Indeed. Just post your answers here, scale of 0-10 (although I rarely vote below 3 and I rarely vote 10) and I'll put them in that there document which we will then use to get some stats. After a couple races, the document begins to make more sense since we start getting interesting averages.
Do we rate on overall performance for the weekend or the race alone?
Not sure. I think I rate the weekend but heavily skewed for race performance. As in, if you qualify 3rd with a Sauber and end up 8th, that's likely a 10 pointer even though you lost 5 places. If you qualify 3rd and finish 8th in a Ferrari, that's likely a 3-4 depending on how the race went. :D
Okay I?m in. This is a good way to analyze drivers you might not notice during a race otherwise.
Agreed. I do tend to keep an eye on the back of the grid, with what having a fellow Swede back there. This helps me rate all of the drivers, since the top guys are rather easy and the midfield usually is where the battles are.
Also a great opportunity for making sarky (or complimentary) comments about the drivers, as Chrill did all last year: http://minardif1.com/forum/index.php?topic=39.0
@Matt: We really need to sort out this encoding issue we're encountering on this here website.
You mean whatever is turning my apostrophes into question marks and so on?
Quite. Not to mention the umlauts for Hulkenberg and Raikkonen. H?lkenberg and R?ikk?nen.
I'm not sure how you want us to rate drivers who didnt get a decent chance to drive due to mechanical failure (Sirotkin). I based my rankings with 5/10 being average, more points for a good performance, and fewer points for under performing.
Mercedes:
Lewis Hamilton - 6/10 (Good first half, but was unprepared to fight Vettel and ended up making mistakes, even with the best car on the grid. Maybe should avoid snide comments in the press conference before the race?)
Valtteri Bottas - 5/10 (Average drive)
Ferrari:
Sebastian Vettel - 8/10 (Sometimes lucky is better than good, but keeping a Mercedes behind you is pretty good as well)
Kimi Raikkonen - 8/10 (Great qual, great race)
Red Bull:
Daniel Ricciardo - 8/10 (Great race after receiving a BS penalty)
Max Verstappen - 4/10 (Not his best day...)
Force India:
Sergio Perez - 7/10 (I feel like both FI drivers did well, but their car is really lacking)
Esteban Ocon - 6/10
Williams:
Lance Stroll - 5/10 (I didn't see much of the Williams, but I don't know what to expect of them. Finishing the race seems to the first expectation, getting into the points would be excellent)
Sergey Sirotkin - X/10 (Mechanical failure)
Renault:
Carlos Sainz - 5/10 (Would be higher if not for losing it under pressure from Alonso and finishing behind Stoffel)
Nico Hulkenberg - 7/10 (Great drive, everything I'd expect from Renault)
Toro Rosso:
Pierre Gasly - X/10 (Got Honda'd)
Brendon Hartley - 5/10 (He finished the race, can't expect too much from a newer driver in a back marker)
Haas:
Romain Grosjean - 6/10 (Good drive, sad result)
Kevin Magnussen - 8/10 (Magnussen was outstanding, unfortunately we didn't get to see him finish)
McLaren:
Fernando Alonso - 10/10 (Everything you'd expect in a driver, Fernando had today. Amazing result)
Stoffel Vandoorne - 7/10 (A good result)
Sauber:
Marcus Ericsson - X/10 (mechanic failure)
Charles Leclerc - 8/10 (Great result for a new driver in the slowest car)
Feel free to change it to an X if you want. If drivers rate too short time to perform anything, I usually don't rate him because I want to find an average of their actual drives! :)
Mercedes:
Lewis Hamilton - 8/10 (Crazy fast on Saturday, definitely fastest today, still didn't win. Should have built a bigger gap to the Ferraris in the first stint if he wanted a higher rating)
Valtteri Bottas - 5/10 (That just wasn't good eh? Sure, P15 is a crappy place to start but he was in P12 before the safety car (plus the double Haas retirements) put him into the points. Kinda bad)
Ferrari:
Sebastian Vettel - 8/10 (He wasn't the best Ferrari driver today, but he kept his cool when handed a magnificent stroke of luck)
Kimi Raikkonen - 9/10 (He was the best Ferrari driver today, and also yesterday. Kept Ricci at bay and finished real close to Hamilton in the end. Nice stuff, he's back to form this year we can hope)
Red Bull:
Daniel Ricciardo - 8/10 (Considering that starting position, he made the most of it. Close to a podium. Strong)
Max Verstappen - 4/10 (Pushed too hard, made silly rookie mistakes. Like I've said before, Max may be stronger than Ricciardo at his best, but Max's worst is definitely far worse than Ricciardo's. This showed it)
Force India:
Sergio Perez - 7/10 (With only 15 finishers, not scoring points is not good enough for Force India. Still, beat his team mate so there's that)
Esteban Ocon - 6/10 (Like above, but finished behind so rated a little lower. They stick together and are evenly matched just like in 2017)
Williams:
Lance Stroll - 4/10 (Quite poor. I mean, the only driver he beat was Hartley who had an abysmal race. He even lost out to rookie Leclerc in a supposedly slower car)
Sergey Sirotkin - X/10
Renault:
Carlos Sainz Jr - 7/10 (Was feeling sick but still bagged one point. Strong of him to pull through and bring it home in the top ten)
Nico Hulkenberg - 8/10 (Battled for long periods of time without making any silly mistakes. Unlike others further up the grid. Solid if a bit unspectacular)
Toro Rosso:
Pierre Gasly - X/10 (The McHonda is now a ToroHonda but it acts just like the old one)
Brendon Hartley - 3/10 (Where was he even? Missed the start and destroyed his tyres and simply got out of synch. Poor start to his first full season)
Haas:
Romain Grosjean - 7/10 (That was pretty good. Then God knows what happened in the pits for Haas. Real unlucky)
Kevin Magnussen - 8/10 (That was even better. Then God knows.. yeah, same as above. Haas will be exciting to watch this season)
McLaren:
Fernando Alonso - 9/10 (P5 is solid. Best of the rest. Can't remember when he last finished in the top 5. Great racing today)
Stoffel Vandoorne - 7/10 (Not quite as spectacular as his double world champion team mate but pretty solid still)
Sauber:
Marcus Ericsson - X/10 (Damn.)
Charles Leclerc - 8/10 (Hey hey my my. Beat a Toro Rosso and a Williams in his debut race. Not bad, not bad at all. As a rookie, one-lap pace is easy to find but the knowledge of how to best manage the car during a race is difficult. Leclerc is looking strong)
M4A1, let me know if I should translate your 5s to X or if you wish to keep them as 5 :)
I've also added a compiled ratings to the document, so you can check that out :)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dnPSeVbYFM6KP0SW2SPGzJch7KAiLuaUvD4hpSWSHek/edit?usp=sharing
It simply shows the average of all our ratings for a driver in that race. For example, I rated 7 and M4A1 rated him 8, so his compiled rating is 7.5.
Quote from: Chrill on March 25, 2018, 01:14:34 AM
Feel free to change it to an X if you want. If drivers rate too short time to perform anything, I usually don't rate him because I want to find an average of their actual drives! :)
M4A1, let me know if I should translate your 5s to X or if you wish to keep them as 5 :)
I edited my post and changed some of my ratings after reading more about the race. I agree, no score for an early mechanical DNF is a more accurate result.
Standings are amended with your edits. :)
Fun fact, on average I rated the drivers 6.824 in Australia. You rated them 6.646 so you are a bit less kind in your ratings! I love these kinds of stats!
EDIT: And being the nerd I am, I added yet another function to the comparisons page. I've made it so that if two of us share the same highest rating (pretty likely for now, less likely once we have a few ratings going), then it tells you that there is no one person rating them highest.
I also prettified the comparisons page with some formatting and I have hidden the not-yet-existing "Player 4" since they don't, in fact, exist yet.
Australia:
Merc:
Hammy - 7 - Stunning quali lap; in race seemed to have pace to spare compared to Ferraris but only 3.5 seconds ahead at pit-stop - needed to push harder.
Val - 4 - Destroyed his race on Saturday afternoon, no chance for a big comeback drive on this track.
Ferrari:
Seb - 8 - Out-performed by Kimi but some strong laps before pit-stop put him in position to take advantage of VSC - no mistakes once in lead.
Kimi - 8 - It was like the Kimi of old... fast not only in qualifying but for the whole of the race.
Red Bull
The Pie Man - 8 - Great pace in the Red Bull. Denied a real shot at glory by grid penalty but as always a stonking drive.
Max - 5 - More of a stinking drive. Bonus point for speed in qualifying.
Force India:
Perez - 7 - Inauspicious start for Force India. Perez only close to Sainz because of his water bottle issue.
Ocon - 6 - A tad off Sergio's pace, hence a tad off his score.
Williams
Stroller - 4 - No idea what to expect from Williams as we have no useful reference. That said, I will assume the car should beat Saubers and so a poor showing from cash machine no. 1.
Sirotkin - X - Early car failure for cash machine no. 2 - however, he did not exactly impress in qualifying so needs to improve as his experience builds.
Renault:
Sainz - 6 - Interesting experiment by Renault: Sainz was force-fed water for most of the race and consequently felt a wee bit unwell and struggled as race wore on.
Hulk - 7 - Driver no. 2 was not force-fed water all race and seemed to benefit from this approach.
Toro Rosso:
Gasly - X - Total mystery why McLaren gave up on Honda.
J.R. - 4 - Hard to judge pace of car but mistake into turn 1 didn't help his cause.
Haas:
Big Jean - 7 - Edged by Kevin on both days.
Son of Magnus - 8 - Edged Romain on both days.
McLaren:
Aslan - 10 - No-one in the history of mankind could've done more with that car.
Van Door - 7 - Decent enough performance but he's still not delivering the star quality I expected.
Sauber:
Chrill's mate Marcus - X - His dead-slow car died.
'It is I' - 9 - Only a fraction off Rutabaga in quali; managed to finish ahead of Stroll & Hartley in race. Perfect debut showing.
There's a disturbing lack of "being funny" in your names for these kids. Give it a rethink, dear.
Do you mean Gasly & Sirotkin? If so, give it time.
Well then. Document updated with 3 players this season. How exciting. We find that we actually rated 7 drivers the same score, plus 3 drivers X, so in total 10 of 20 drivers got the same score. The biggest difference is 2, which happened a couple times:
I rated Lewis 8, Penfold rated him 7, M4A1 rated him 6.
I rated Sainz 7, Penfold rated him 6, M4A1 rated him 5.
I rated Hartley 3, Penfold rated him 4, M4A1 rated him 5.
Our championship standings after one race, then:
1. Fernando Alonso, 9.667
2. Kimi Raikkonen, 8.333
2. Charles Leclerc, 8.333
4. Sebastian Vettel, 8.000
4. Daniel Ricciardo, 8.000
4. Kevin Magnussen, 8.000
7. Nico Hulkenberg, 7.333
8. Lewis Hamilton, 7.000
8. Sergio Perez, 7.000
8. Stoffel Vandoorne, 7.000
...
17. Brendon Hartley, 4.000
Check out the rest of our stats in that there sexy document
Nice one, it all looks very snazzy.
I shall proffer an anagram of Sergey Sirotkin in lieu of a 'proper' nickname: henceforth he shall be known as 'Risky Tires Gone'.
Or "Putin" for short.
Putin' on the Ritz?
Sticking with the anagram theme, Pierre Gasly is now the 'Greasy Peril'.
Bahrain GP ratings:
Mercedes:
Lewis Hamilton - 8/10 (Poor qualifying but made up for it with some proper racing. Was not on course for podium had it not been for Raikkonen + Red Bulls, but you have to grab the opportunity and he did. Nice race)
Valtteri Bottas - 7/10 (With those extremely worn softs on Vettel, the Bottman should have made it happen. We should have seen him win here)
Ferrari:
Sebastian Vettel - 9/10 (You're not supposed to drive on the same set of softs for more than half the race. So, uhm, yeah, that was impressive)
Kimi Raikkonen - 8/10 (Looked almost as strong as Vettel, shame about the end of his race with the injured mechanic. One point less due to simply being behind his team mate)
Red Bull:
Daniel Ricciardo - X/10 (Retired way too soon)
Max Verstappen - 3/10 (Caused his own puncture before retiring. Poor and overly aggressive start. Yet another rookie mistake. Not cool, dude)
Force India:
Sergio Perez - 6/10 (Hard to be more invisible than this. I think he was in the race, right? He dropped down a bit too much and never challenged for points)
Esteban Ocon - 8/10 (He was rather invisible too, in that messy midfield, until a late jump on Sainz. Would rate 7 had it not been for that Sainz overtake)
Williams:
Lance Stroll - 4/10 (Really? I mean, sure that car is woeful but it's not like the driver is helping. At least beat his team mate)
Sergey Sirotkin - 3/10 (Defended much too hard against drivers he wasn't really racing with. Should have kept his cool, then he would have beat his mate Stroll)
Renault:
Carlos Sainz Jr - 5/10 (Not a strong race, and in the end finished outside the points. With his team mate high up, he should be there too)
Nico Hulkenberg - 8/10 (Rather impressive, but in the end couldn't challenge the Haas or Toro Rosso. Beat McLaren though, so that's nice. Beat his team mate proper too)
Toro Rosso:
Pierre Gasly - 10/10 (Wow. What else can we say? Best of the rest in a Honda. On a circuit where power is required. He drove brilliantly, didn't make a single mistake. Amazing)
Brendon Hartley - 6/10 (Older engine, older aero package. P13 wasn't great when compared to his team mate, but it wasn't all that bad either considering his car was not as good as Gasly's. Should have the aero updates for China, engine might have to wait since we can only use 3 per year)
Haas:
Romain Grosjean - 4/10 (Messy race, three pit stops, and the car just seemed to disintegrate. Qualified way too far behind his team mate)
Kevin Magnussen - 8/10 (Nice starting position converted into a nice finishing position. Well done, K-Mag)
McLaren:
Fernando Alonso - 8/10 (Considering where he started, P7 is really a nice result. Kept his cool, fought the right people at the right time)
Stoffel Vandoorne - 8/10 (As above, but right behind his team mate. Nice drive)
Sauber:
Marcus Ericsson - 10/10 (So happy to give him this score. P17 to P9. Really? Amazing start saw him up to P12. Red Bull retirements brought him swiftly into the points, and then he drove an absolutely massive second stint on mediums. Extremely well done, and first points since Italy 2015)
Charles Leclerc - 6/10 (Yes, he's a rookie. That showed. Qualifying was a mess, and the race was rather anonymous at times. Still beat a Haas and both Williams cars though)
Driver of the race? Gasly. Of course. Honorable mention to Ericsson and Vettel.
Mercedes:
Lewis Hamilton - 6/10 (Not a great qualifying. Anything less than third would have been a failure under the circumstances. He had the opportunity to catch Bottas and didn't.)
Valtteri Bottas - 7/10 (Good start to get past Kimi and keep it interesting for Ferrari. Good run to catch up to Vettel at the end. Maybe could have gotten past, but his mediums were only one step harder than Vettel's tires and also extremely worn)
Ferrari:
Sebastian Vettel - 10/10 (Good pole. Good race where the two top teams seemed almost even. Great job to hold on with very old tires at the end.)
Kimi Raikkonen - 7/10 (Threw away pace advantage he had over Vettel all weekend in qualifying. Bad start to lose out to Bottas, which hurt the team strategically.)
Red Bull:
Daniel Ricciardo - X/10 (Good qualifying, not enough of a race.)
Max Verstappen - 2/10 (Not willing to put the puncture on him, but he wouldn't have been there had he not crashed in qualifying too.)
Force India:
Sergio Perez - 7/10 (Spun on the first lap and recovered relatively well under the circumstances. Dumb 30s post-race penalty but it didn't affect anything important.)
Esteban Ocon - 8/10 (This car isn't that good right now.)
Williams:
Lance Stroll - 2/10 (Awful weekend. Don't lose qualifying to your rookie teammate.)
Sergey Sirotkin - 2/10 (Awful weekend. Won qualifying though.)
Renault:
Carlos Sainz Jr - 6/10 (Very mediocre.)
Nico Hulkenberg - 8/10 (P6 was a good run for this car.)
Toro Rosso:
Pierre Gasly - 10/10 (Basically a perfect weekend. Finish was helped by the attrition, but it's not like there were adverse conditions and he was 37s ahead of Hulkenberg in P6)
Brendon Hartley - 6/10 (Not bad. Dumb 30s post-race penalty that I don't totally understand since it seems that Perez passed him.)
Haas:
Romain Grosjean - 4/10 (Bad weekend.)
Kevin Magnussen - 8/10 (Good weekend. Interesting to see Haas this competitive after Australia, where they've always been good.)
McLaren:
Fernando Alonso - 8/10 (Good race, seemingly all the car had here.)
Stoffel Vandoorne - 7/10 (Good race, lost to teammate.)
Sauber:
Marcus Ericsson - 10/10 (Definitely all the car had.)
Charles Leclerc - 6/10 (Anonymous weekend. Which is better than a bad weekend.)
Can't really separate driver of the race between Vettel, Gasly, and Ericsson. But I'll go with Vettel since he actually had pressure.
Mercedes:
Lewis Hamilton - 5/10
Valtteri Bottas - 7/10
Ferrari:
Sebastian Vettel - 9/10
Kimi Raikkonen - 7/10
Red Bull:
Daniel Ricciardo - X/10
Max Verstappen - X/10
Force India:
Sergio Perez - 6/10
Esteban Ocon - 8/10
Williams:
Lance Stroll - 4/10
Sergey Sirotkin - 4/10
Renault:
Carlos Sainz - 6/10
Nico Hulkenberg - 8/10
Toro Rosso:
Pierre Gasly - 10/10
Brendon Hartley - 6/10
Haas:
Romain Grosjean - 4/10
Kevin Magnussen - 9/10
McLaren:
Fernando Alonso - 9/10
Stoffel Vandoorne - 7/10
Sauber:
Marcus Ericsson - 10/10
Charles Leclerc - 6/10
Oh boy, is this Matt rating drivers after a race? Impressive. Will add you to the tables! :)
M4A1 and Matt (and me) added to the tables for Bahrain. Awaiting the slowly Penfoldian before updating the "Comparison" section.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dnPSeVbYFM6KP0SW2SPGzJch7KAiLuaUvD4hpSWSHek/edit?usp=sharing
This is damn fast for me.
Bahrain:
Merc:
Hammy - 7 - Edged by Valerie in quali, edged Valerie in race.
Val - 7 - Same as Hammy but t'other way round.
Ferrari:
Seb - 10 - Tremendous stint on the softs.
Kimi - 7 - Good but well bested by Vettel.
Red Bull
The Pie Man - X - Bloody Renault.
Max - 2 - I was going to say 'continued his horrible start to the year', but quali crash and needless shunt into Hammy moves it into 'truly terrible' territory.
Force India:
Perez - 7 - Spun by Hartley at start, alright recovery given car's limitations.
Ocon - 8 - About as much as the car has to offer.
Williams
Stroller - 3 - Is it the drivers, is it the car, or are they just all awful? Probably the last one.
Sirotkin - 3 - Slow, but remember he was the best driver available for Williams and absolutely not hired for his money....
Renault:
Sainz - 5 - Too far off Hulk this time.
Hulk - 8 - Pretty nifty driving as per usual. Not quite the pace of Haas but held off Alonso fairly easily.
Toro Rosso:
Greasy Peril - 10 - Blimey. Exactly the sort of talented youngsters for which F1 needs to find room.
J.R. - 5 - Clipped Perez at start, struggled in older-spec machinery.
Haas:
Big Jean - 4 - Bits flying off his car surely didn't help, but just not on KMag's pace this weekend - and then almost crashed into him at one point.
Son of Magnus - 9 - Inconsistent in 2017 but has been mightily impressive this year.
McLaren:
Aslan - 8 - Struggle for McLaren this weekend. Alonso helpfully narrowed down areas of weakness: top speed, braking, and traction. Driving through the twisty bits is fine.
Van Door - 7 - A step behind Alonso, but not the giant step often witnessed last year.
Sauber:
Chrill's mate Marcus - 10 - That was unexpected. I mean, really, really, really fucking unexpected. If you'll pardon my French.
'It is I' - 6 - Some rookie errors but that's okay at this stage.
Now with added comments!
I appreciate it, Pennywise. Our championship standings after race 2, then:
1. Pierre Gasly, 10.0
1. Marcus Ericsson, 10.0
3. Sebastian Vettel, 9.0
4. Fernando Alonso, 8.75
5. Kevin Magnussen, 8.25
6. Daniel Ricciardo, 8.0
7. Nico Hulkenberg, 7.75
8. Kimi Raikkonen, 7.625
9. Esteban Ocon, 7.25
10. Stoffel Vandoorne, 7.125
...
20. Sergey Sirotkin, 3.0
I will probably do most of the races I watch, but once the European season starts and the races are at 7:00am, I tend to miss some (or most) of them.
ESPN ran the entire race this weekend without commercials too, so I actually saw the entire race.
The driver with the biggest ratings difference is currently Lewis Hamilton. I average 8.0, after having rated him 8 in race 1 but 8 in race 2. M4A1 has put Lewis down for a 5.5, which is a 2.5 difference in rating.
Quote from: Matt on April 09, 2018, 07:59:09 AM
I will probably do most of the races I watch, but once the European season starts and the races are at 7:00am, I tend to miss some (or most) of them.
ESPN ran the entire race this weekend without commercials too, so I actually saw the entire race.
ESPN has said that the rest of the races this season will be commercial free.
Quote from: Chrill on April 10, 2018, 02:21:32 AM
The driver with the biggest ratings difference is currently Lewis Hamilton. I average 8.0, after having rated him 8 in race 1 but 8 in race 2. M4A1 has put Lewis down for a 5.5, which is a 2.5 difference in rating.
That's because he has been average in my opinion. The Mercedes is the fastest car, but he doesn't seem very motivated to drive it to its potential.
I have the same reasoning for not being too tough on the Williams and Sauber drivers. I don't realistically think the car can do much better, even with a top tier driver.
That's the beauty of these ratings! We get to have opinions! And after a couple of races, we'll probably see some trends develop. I can start looking at who regularly rates drivers lower or higher, and perhaps there will be a more clear drift where some of us rate certain drivers higher. I believe I usually rate my countryman Ericsson higher than Penfold, although if I'm not mistaken Penfold was actually kinder to Ericsson than I was in 2017.
I feel like Lewis was the dominant force in Australia, and his comeback in Bahrain was decent but he qualified poorly. He was only P4, which sent him down to ninth on the grid with that penalty of his. That deserves a score of 8 to me.
I know this may come as a surprise, but I've done the maths ALL WRONG. Ok, not incredibly wrong, but a tiny bit wrong.
In order to calculate the actual rating of every driver, I simply took the average of what we averaged them. This should be OK, but with Matt joining I realised that could cause issues. He has rated drivers once, we have rated them twice. Therefore, his rating is actually weaker since it's based on fewer results.
To rectify this, I've changed the code for "Actual Average" on the Comparisons page. What it does now is compiles all our actual results and averages those, instead of averaging the average. This means it will take all ratings (potentially four times 21) and find an average of all those. While this didn't alter any rankings, it did put some people on level pegging.
Kimi Raikkonen's rating is changed from 7.625 to 7.714. Nico Hulkenberg's rating is changed from 7.75 to 7.714 also. This is to be expected, since their absolute total rating is a score of 54 based on 7 ratings. With the old rating, Matt's single rating weighed more heavily than it should, and pushed Hulkenberg above Raikkonen due to Matt awarding the Hulk 8 and the Raik 7.
See. Statistics is fun.
Check out the pretty document here.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dnPSeVbYFM6KP0SW2SPGzJch7KAiLuaUvD4hpSWSHek/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dnPSeVbYFM6KP0SW2SPGzJch7KAiLuaUvD4hpSWSHek/edit?usp=sharing)
Quote from: Matt on April 09, 2018, 07:59:09 AM
I will probably do most of the races I watch, but once the European season starts and the races are at 7:00am, I tend to miss some (or most) of them.
You could watch them at a more convenient hour if you get yourself some of these: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZz2il4nhH8
OK then. China was a messy race, Vercrashen proves once again that he is simply a kid with an Xbox rather than a professional racing driver. Starting to look a lot like the Torpedo.
Mercedes:
Lewis Hamilton - 6/10 (Just not impressive. Qualified behind Bottas, and had no chance to match him in the race. Weak.)
Valtteri Bottas - 8/10 (A lot more impressive than his team mate, and made a really good start after the safety car. Could not prevent Ricciardo but gave him a good run for it. Perfect amount of aggression, without going overboard. Nice one)
Ferrari:
Sebastian Vettel - 7/10 (Kept it together nicely until the safety car, had a really bad getaway after the SC ended and then burned his tyres up completely when driving away from the Verstappen crash. Had he been more careful there, I think he could have challenged for P4 with Hamilton)
Kimi Raikkonen - 8/10 (Very evenly matched with Vettel, got his strategy compromised by Bottas surprisingly jumping Vettel in the pits. Recoved to P3 which is absolutely a decent result)
Red Bull:
Daniel Ricciardo - 10/10 (Wow. What else can I say? Such an impressive race. The Red Bull mechanics replaced the engine with 30 seconds to spare in Q1, and that ended up taking him to sixth on the grid. Overtook literally everyone in the big 3 to win this. 10/10 doesn't do justice. Might be the drive of his career so far)
Max Verstappen - 1/10 (I've complained that he makes rookie errors. Well, this was just a blatant failure. Unacceptable to launch like that when we're this high up the grid. 10 second penalty is way too little. A drive through is what he should have gotten, plus 3 points to his license)
Force India:
Sergio Perez - 7/10 (Force India looked better today, was once more extremely equal to his team mate in pace)
Esteban Ocon - 7/10 (Force India looked better today, was once more extremely equal to his team mate in pace)
Williams:
Lance Stroll - 7/10 (Actually not too bad for once. Beat both Saubers, both Toro Rossos (obviously...) and a Haas. Plus his team mate. Acceptable)
Sergey Sirotkin - 6/10 (Also not too bad. Stroll had a much better start but Sirotkin fought back and probably drove a better race than Stroll. Ended up just behind though)
Renault:
Carlos Sainz Jr - 7/10 (Not too bad, hauled 2 points and almost had a go at Vettel at the end too. Must be encouraging to chase a Ferrari even though it's a stricken one)
Nico Hulkenberg - 9/10 (P6, best of the rest. He was my third driver for the weekend too, so I'm happy. Nice pass on Vettel, kept himself close to Hamilton too at the end. Impressive stuff)
Toro Rosso:
Pierre Gasly - 2/10 (What on Earth was that? Crazy manoeuvre on your own team mate. Not acceptable. Talk about a return to reality after Bahrain)
Brendon Hartley - 6/10 (Can't really be blamed for the crash, but was not running impressively high up the grid before it either. Poor strategy left him at the back, could not have done much more)
Haas:
Romain Grosjean - 3/10 (Continues to be outpaced by Magnussen. Sure, made Q3 could not convert it. Messy race, like usual this season, sees him finish behind Williams and even one Sauber car)
Kevin Magnussen - 8/10 (Keeps putting in strong races. Had to surrender to Renault today, but still scored a point. What a strong start to his season)
McLaren:
Fernando Alonso - 7/10 (Drove a good race, but was extremely brutal in pushing Vettel off the track when overtaking. Deducting one point for that unnecessary move)
Stoffel Vandoorne - 6/10 (Was matching Alonso for a long while but somehow lost out after the safety car. Probably could not get heat into his tyres and just fell back. Mediocre at best)
Sauber:
Marcus Ericsson - 6/10 (Up to P17 from 20th on the grid, but then lost it all before the first lap was over. I still don't know what happened to him, but I'm guessing he locked up into turn 14. Still, managed to recover and beat his team mate again. 2-0 race record over Leclerc isn't too bad)
Charles Leclerc - 6/10 (Had a decent start, but somehow lost out to Ericsson near the end anyway. It seems apparent he has not yet figured out how to keep his tyres alive like some of the more experienced drivers. Suffers from lack of race pace)
Driver of the day? Ricciardo obiously. Shoutouts to Hulkenberg and not really anyone else.
Mercedes:
Lewis Hamilton - 4/10
Valtteri Bottas - 8/10
Ferrari:
Sebastian Vettel - 7/10
Kimi Raikkonen - 7/10
Red Bull:
Daniel Ricciardo - 10/10
Max Verstappen - 4/10
Force India:
Sergio Perez - 6/10
Esteban Ocon - 6/10
Williams:
Lance Stroll - 7/10
Sergey Sirotkin - 7/10
Renault:
Carlos Sainz - 7/10
Nico Hulkenberg - 9/10
Toro Rosso: Initially, I had both drivers rated lower, however I've read that the collision was cause by a miscommunication. Hartley was supposed to let Gasly pass but didn't see him. Since the collision ruined both their races, they're just going to get a 5.
Pierre Gasly - 5/10
Brendon Hartley - 5/10
Haas:
Romain Grosjean - 4/10
Kevin Magnussen - 7/10
McLaren:
Fernando Alonso - 8/10
Stoffel Vandoorne - 5/10
Sauber:
Marcus Ericsson - 5/10
Charles Leclerc - 3/10
Fair enough in regards to your Toro Rosso rating, but even if there is a communication error you should never try an overtake on your team mate unless it is one hundred percent certain. Which means the driver in front lifting the throttle or going off the racing line.
Come on, Matty and Penny. Are y'all rating?
Oui.
China:
Merc:
Hammy - 5 - Lacklustre.
Val - 8 - This is the Bottas we want to see.
Ferrari:
Seb - 8 - Safety car cost him the win, Max cost him a decent finish.
Kimi - 8 - Clearly kept out on old rubber to back Bottas into Vettel, but having such a late stop helped after the safety car appeared.
Red Bull
The Pie Man - 10 - Fast, reliable, and can overtake without hitting people. Red Bull top brass would be mad to wave him off to Ferrari.
Max - 2 - His season advanced proudly into 'truly terrible' territory with these latest efforts.
Force India:
Perez - 7 - Nothing of note happened. Solid drive as normal.
Ocon - 7 - They could drive each other's cars and no-one would be any the wiser.
Williams
Stroller - 7 - Depressing to see Williams struggling so, but drivers were reasonable today (Sunday).
Sirotkin - 7 - As above.
Renault:
Sainz - 7 - Needs to be more competitive with Hulk, only just scrapes a seven from me.
Hulk - 9 - Pretty nifty driving as per usual.
Toro Rosso:
Greasy Peril - 4 - Miscommunication contributed to crash but Hartley hadn't actually deviated from his normal racing line.
J.R. - 5 - Edged Gasly in quali. but slower of the pair in race.
Haas:
Big Jean - 3 - Not sure how he started tenth and yet finished behind almost everyone.
Son of Magnus - 7 - Solid but disappointing to be behind both Renaults and the McLaren with the quality driver.
McLaren:
Aslan - 8 - McLaren qualifying woes continue - they don't know why! Fernando with a predictably good drive.
Van Door - 5 - One giant step behind Alonso.
Sauber:
Chrill's mate Marcus - 6 - Solid enough. Car is obviously pretty weak.
'It is I' - 4 - Went off track for a while, not the best idea in an F1 car.
Thanks dear!
Our standings, then:
1. Daniel Ricciardo, 9.000
2. Fernando Alonso, 8.500
3. Sebastian Vettel, 8.400
4. Marcus Ericsson, 8.143
5. Nico Hulkenberg, 8.100
6. Kevin Magnussen, 8.000
7. Kimi Raikkonen, 7.700
8. Pierre Gasly, 7.286
9. Esteban Ocon, 7.000
10. Sergio Perez, 6.700
...
20. Max Verstappen, 3.000
Ricciardo gained 5 spots (P6 to P1) in China. Gasly dropped 7 places (P1 to P8). Lewis Hamilton, on a 6.200, remains P13.
All the stats, as always, here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dnPSeVbYFM6KP0SW2SPGzJch7KAiLuaUvD4hpSWSHek/edit#gid=512518002 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dnPSeVbYFM6KP0SW2SPGzJch7KAiLuaUvD4hpSWSHek/edit#gid=512518002)
Poor Max, ranked lower even than Sergey Sirotkin. Perhaps he could try not spinning or crashing for a few races?
Oh boy, that was some race. Only 13 drivers really finished.
Mercedes:
Lewis Hamilton - 7/10 (He won. Was he the best driver? Nah. He locked up, he lost out, he never really had it in him. He looked like the slowest of the top 4)
Valtteri Bottas - 8/10 (Did what Vettel did in Australia with the safety car. Then ran over debris. Extremely unfortunate, but a strong showing)
Ferrari:
Sebastian Vettel - 8/10 (Controlled the race until the safety car. Was looking like a 9/10 for me until he locked his tyres trying to pass Bottas. It was worth a try, it just didn't work)
Kimi Raikkonen - 10/10 (Guys, he was "slam dunk the funk"-ed by Ocon but still finished P2. That's some decent racing right there. Strong)
Red Bull:
Daniel Ricciardo - 9/10 (Had the upper hand on his team mate all weekend, and passed him a couple time before the mad Dutchman fought back. In the end, he was shunted off the track)
Max Verstappen - 0/10 (I genuinely don't think he is even worthy of 0/10. This was appalling. He was extremely aggressive to his team mate numerous times. It's just unacceptable. It cannot be. He then proceeds to swerve back and forth under braking to eliminate himself and his team mate. He deserves a demotion to Toro Rosso for all I care. Absurd)
Force India:
Sergio Perez - 10/10 (This is where it's at. He passed Vettel after the Ferrari driver had flat spotted his tyres, but he also kept him behind whilst running old cold super softs to everyone elses new ultras. Impressive)
Esteban Ocon - 3/10 (I'm pinning the crash on Ocon because he did not see Raikkonen. Poor way to end what could have apparently have results in a podium)
Williams:
Lance Stroll - 8/10 (This is how Stroll should drive. Baku clearly suits him. P8 is a decent result, a good way to maximise a points haul on a day when others fall away. I barely saw him all race, yet only seven drivers are in front of him. Good stuff)
Sergey Sirotkin - X/10 (Rear-ended Perez before getting squeezed between the Hulk and Alonso. Messy start saw him DNF)
Renault:
Carlos Sainz Jr - 9/10 (Some nice overtaking at the start saw him get by Red Bull and in the end finishes in P5. Strong drive. Welcome back, Sainz)
Nico Hulkenberg - 7/10 (Looked on course for something good, then brought his race to an end all on his own. Strong start, poor finish)
Toro Rosso:
Pierre Gasly - 6/10 (I mean, I saw him at the race. I just don't recall what he did there. 6/10 is fairly average I suppose)
Brendon Hartley - 8/10 (Had a messy race but scored points. I mean, he scored points! What else can we ask for?)
Haas:
Romain Grosjean - 5/10 (What the actual flying f***? You crash behind the safety car, man? That's embarrassing. I'll definitely bring this up in the future. Stupid mistake but had a decent race before that. Except for the start. Everyone crashed in the start)
Kevin Magnussen - 4/10 (Finished dead last of all the runners. Was looking at hauling some points home before he... uh, failed to do so. I don't know what happened there, so I may come back to change this rating if it turns out he isn't to blame for falling away)
McLaren:
Fernando Alonso - 9/10 (Keeps delivering solid races. P7 today in a car that still hasn't qualified in the top 10, and remember how far back he was after lap 1? He barely had even 2 tyres to run on. What a comeback)
Stoffel Vandoorne - 7/10 (He was perhaps one of the slowest drivers today, but he also didn't get involved in accidents. That's why he is P9 despite not at all keeping up with his team mate or those around him)
Sauber:
Marcus Ericsson - 6/10 (Messy start saw him limp back to the pits with a damaged floor. Did what he could from there, and actually finished just 0.4 seconds behind Hartley and almost bagged a point)
Charles Leclerc - 10/10 (Someone else in Sauber did bag a point. Actually, EIGHT of them. P6. There he is, the wonderchild of Formula 2. Amazing drive, I am so very impressed. Kept out of trouble, drove defensively when he had to and stayed calm when he was supposed to. Couldn't possibly have done this any better)
Driver of the race? Leclerc of course.
Wow, what a race. I suspect there will be quite a few differences with this race. I don't have time to explain all my ratings right now, but hopefully I'll have time later this week to come back and explain.
Mercedes:
Lewis Hamilton - 7/10
Valtteri Bottas - 9/10
Ferrari:
Sebastian Vettel - 7/10
Kimi Raikkonen - 8/10
Red Bull:
Daniel Ricciardo - 5/10
Max Verstappen - 7/10
Force India:
Sergio Perez - 10/10
Esteban Ocon - 3/10
Williams:
Lance Stroll - 9/10
Sergey Sirotkin - X/10
Renault:
Carlos Sainz - 9/10
Nico Hulkenberg - 7/10
Toro Rosso:
Pierre Gasly - 3/10
Brendon Hartley - 6/10
Haas:
Romain Grosjean - 5/10
Kevin Magnussen - 4/10
McLaren:
Fernando Alonso - 9/10
Stoffel Vandoorne - 7/10
Sauber:
Marcus Ericsson - 5/10
Charles Leclerc - 10/10
I've added your ratings (including the change on Raikkonen) to the tables, here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dnPSeVbYFM6KP0SW2SPGzJch7KAiLuaUvD4hpSWSHek/edit#gid=512518002). Interesting to see your take on Ricciardo-Verstappen since our ratings differ. Let's take that to the "2018 Season" (http://minardif1.com/forum/index.php?topic=42.0) topic! :)
Quote from: Penfold on April 18, 2018, 03:50:43 AM
Poor Max, ranked lower even than Sergey Sirotkin. Perhaps he could try not spinning or crashing for a few races?
Guess not!
I'll get my scores done later today.
I'm looking forward to them.
Here they are for your entertainment:
Baku:
Merc:
Hammy - 6 - Mediocre but lucky.
Val - 8 - Strong but unlucky.
Ferrari:
Seb - 8 - Pole and a win without the safety car. Point off for blowing it after restart.
Kimi - 7 - Ruined his super-softs in Q2, blew his chance of pole in Q3, some responsibility for crash with Ocon on lap 1... other than that a good performance.
Red Bull
The Pie Man - 7 - Had the beating of Max but was never going to make that pass.
Max - 0 - Negative score if possible. Said he was going to drive with more control after recent errors, this obviously means something different in Dutch. Too aggressive with team-mate on numerous occasions culminating in that double move and crash.
Force India:
Perez - 10 - Probably could've done without getting a poke up the backside at beginning of race, but he was fast, clean, and made a good move on Vettel - sort of drive to catch the eye of team managers.
Ocon - 4 - Guess he didn't see Kimi, though no idea how the Finn expected to get round the corner at the same time as the Force India.
Williams
Stroller - 9 - Just needs six or seven races at Baku each season. Finally some points for Williams (mass retirements a help).
Sirotkin - 4 - Hit Perez, hence the low score.
Renault:
Sainz - 9 - Quality outing. Duelling with Red Bulls was great to watch.
Hulk - 3 - Squeezed Sirotkin into Alonso, ending Sergei's race and damaging Alonso's, yet receives no penalty. Then he hit a wall.
Toro Rosso:
Greasy Peril - 6 - Had been running well at one point, apparently got squeezed into a wall by KMag after the second restart.
J.R. - 7 - Fell asleep in quali. and only saved by Gasly's quick reflexes. Anonymous in race but still running so able to pick up a point.
Haas:
Big Jean - 5 - Wins the comedy award. Just hilarious. Good up until then.
Son of Magnus - 4 - Points off for squeezing Gasly.
McLaren:
Aslan - 10 - Christ. Down the pit-lane with two wheels on his car - must've been some damage to the floor. Ahh, but could he possibly still beat his team-mate... of course he could!
Van Door - 6 - One giant step behind Alonso. Handy this, I never need to think of anything new to say for Toffee Van Door.
Sauber:
Chrill's mate Marcus - 5 - Not a patch on Leclerc this weekend.
'It is I' - 10 - Awesome, but then you watched the race so you already knew that. Birth of an F1 star?
Lovely. These are our standings, then:
Pos. Driver Rating Change in Position
1. Fernando Alonso 8.615 (+1)
2. Daniel Ricciardo 8.333 (-1)
3. Sebastian Vettel 8.231 (0)
4. Kimi Raikkonen 7.846 (+3)
5. Nico Hulkenberg 7.692 (0)
6. Sergio Perez 7.462 (+4)
7. Marcus Ericsson 7.300 (-3)
8. Kevin Magnussen 7.077 (-2)
9. Charles Leclerc 7.077 (+4)
10. Valtteri Bottas 7.000 (+1)
...
20. Max Verstappen 2.833 (0)
Full standings, as always:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dnPSeVbYFM6KP0SW2SPGzJch7KAiLuaUvD4hpSWSHek/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dnPSeVbYFM6KP0SW2SPGzJch7KAiLuaUvD4hpSWSHek/edit?usp=sharing)
I added a new feature. So sexy.
=ARRAYFORMULA(INDEX(N2:N21,MATCH(MAX(COUNTIF(N2:N21,N2:N21)),COUNTIF(N2:N21,N2:N21),0)))
This code makes sense, right? Basically, what it does is give us the name of whoever rates a driver the highest most often. As in, I have the highest rating for 6 drivers which makes me the one with most "highest rating", and therefore the above formula returns my name. So strange.
Mercedes:
Lewis Hamilton - 6/10
Valtteri Bottas - 8/10
Ferrari:
Sebastian Vettel - 8/10
Kimi Raikkonen - 9/10
Red Bull:
Daniel Ricciardo - 7/10
Max Verstappen - 1/10
Force India:
Sergio Perez - 10/10
Esteban Ocon - 2/10
Williams:
Lance Stroll - 8/10
Sergey Sirotkin - X/10
Renault:
Carlos Sainz Jr - 8/10
Nico Hulkenberg - 4/10
Toro Rosso:
Pierre Gasly - 7/10
Brendon Hartley - 7/10
Haas:
Romain Grosjean - 4/10
Kevin Magnussen - 3/10
McLaren:
Fernando Alonso - 10/10
Stoffel Vandoorne - 7/10
Sauber:
Marcus Ericsson - 6/10
Charles Leclerc - 10/10
Giving Alonso driver of the race. Leclerc avoided the mayhem and drove well, but Alonso vaulted up the field with a damaged car and got it back to the pits in the first place with two flats. Perez took advantage of the mayhem and got points when Force India needed them.
Thank you!
That shuffles the pack a bit:
Fernando Alonso
Sebastian Vettel
Daniel Ricciardo
Kimi R?ikk?nen
Sergio Perez
Nico H?lkenberg
Charles Leclerc
Marcus Ericsson
Valtteri Bottas
Carlos Sainz, Jr.
The biggest improvement is Leclerc in P7 (from P13), and the biggest drop is Esteban Ocon (P15 from P9).
In an interesting turn of events, even though Matt rates the average lowest (his average 6.450), he is also the one with most "Highest Rating". 10 of the drivers, you rate higher than anyone else (3 of those shared, 7 of those unique for you). However, 8 of the drivers on the grid get their lowest rating from you. The only ones where you aren't on the top or the bottom are Kimi Raikkonen and Lewis Hamilton.
Just to be irritating (more so than normal) I've bumped Alonso up to a perfect ten. Bit more data entry for you to enjoy!
Worry not. The document is clever enough to edit the whole thing when I enter the digits. Alonso was already the highest rated driver, so he's moving from P1 to P1.
I?ve only done two races, so it makes sense that my highest and lowest ratings stand out more. Less races to bring them closer to the average.
This is true. I have, however, taken that into account on the actual averages. The "compiled average" which is seen on the first page differs from the "actual average", since the compiled average is the driver's average for every race. This skews the result. The actual average, used on the comparison page, is simply everyone's votes piled together into one.
Right, let's go to the Spainish GP (did you see that typo? It was fun)
Mercedes:
Lewis Hamilton - 9/10 (Utter domination. Could easily have won a minute earlier had he just felt like it. Definitely had a lot more in the car. Back to regular Mercedes domination, and suddenly this season looks a lot more dull. Not getting the 10 because he did not push a single time all race)
Valtteri Bottas - 8/10 (Couldn't quite match daddy Ham, but came close despite running an extremely long stint on the mediums. Solid performance, and well deserved P2.
Ferrari:
Sebastian Vettel - 6/10 (That just wasn't great. Good start to jump Bottas, but poor call to pit when Bottas clearly made his tyres last. P4, and falling further behind Hamilton in the championship. The Ferrari car wasn't fast enough in Barcelona)
Kimi Raikkonen - 6/10 (Was running more or less with Bottas, and then something happened to the car. Don't know what. Oh well. Mediocre too)
Red Bull:
Daniel Ricciardo - 6/10 (Lagged behind Verstappen after claiming he was faster, then made a Grosjeanesque spin during the VSC which shunted him firmly 20 seconds behind the crazy kid. 6/10 is as good as I'll call that this weekend)
Max Verstappen - 7/10 (Really on course for 8/10 in my book. Strong return to form, kept Vettel at bay with a damaged car and all. Then again, the damage was caused by him being himself so that's a minus one)
Force India:
Sergio Perez - 8/10 (Keeps delivering some impressive performances in what appears to be a less than great Force India car. Pitted during the VSC like Vettel but made it work, passing Ericsson, Stroll, and Leclerc to finish P9)
Esteban Ocon - 6/10 (Retired after an uneventful race that could possibly have put him P10 at the end of it. Not as strong as his Mexican frenemy)
Williams:
Lance Stroll - 7/10 (Definitely the stronger Williams driver this weekend, but still not all that strong. With 14 driver finishing, not scoring points simply isn't strong enough)
Sergey Sirotkin - 3/10 (What a messy messy race. Did he spin? Yup. Like Grosjean? Yup. More than once? Yup. Oh boy. Way last)
Renault:
Carlos Sainz Jr - 8/10 (Fought some decent battles with my fellow rutabaga Ericsson and ended up second best of the rest! Not bad, not bad at all)
Nico Hulkenberg - X/10 (Obviously cannot be blamed for being crashed out by the Frenchie)
Toro Rosso:
Pierre Gasly - X/10 (Obviously cannot be blamed for being crashed out by the Frenchie)
Brendon Hartley - 7/10 (Hey. Did that P10 finish in Baku give Hartley some more speed? He wasn't that bad. I mean yes, he finished P12 out of 14 finishers which isn't great but what he lacked in finishing position he made up for with some rather decent racing. Neat stuff)
Haas:
Romain Grosjean - 2/10 (Oh boy. Sure, taking avoiding action in order to not hit your team mate is fair. Then flooring it while spinning into a field of cars is not. Moved down 3 places for the Monaco grid will hurt, but it's a fair penalty for a silly crash)
Kevin Magnussen - 9/10 (I think he finished this high for a single reason - he did not battle the other drivers. Stayed cool when Vettel and Bottas came through, and in the end finished something like half a minute ahead of the guy behind. Haas seems to be in a no mans land between the front 3 and the rest, but they rarely end up there. This is how it should be)
McLaren:
Fernando Alonso - 7/10 (Was unlucky in the start and lost some places, and then lacked some of that utmost killer instinct. Was stuck behind Leclerc for too long, which probably is the reason he finished behind Sainz. Still, keeps scoring solid points)
Stoffel Vandoorne - 4/10 (Stoffel is not as fast as Fernando. It seems apparent so far this season. He is the only driver to have qualified behind his team mate in all 5 races so far. That says it all. Another less than impressive performance)
Sauber:
Marcus Ericsson - 7/10 (I'd quite like to rate him 8 for his surprisingly great defensive skills. He danced beautifully with Sainz and they did not touch. Kept the Spaniard behind for a very long time on worn mediums. Fell down the order a bit when he failed to switch his softs on and that's why I'll keep him down to 7)
Charles Leclerc - 8/10 (Getting used to seeing a Sauber score. Third race out of five this year. Twice for the Monegasque. Solid. One point for Sauber on a track where they couldn't on paper expect to fight)
Driver of the race? I'd call it for Lewis Hamilton, but K-Mag gets an honorable mention.
Still deliberating just how few points to give Roe Man. It'll be somewhere between zero and two but not quite made up my mind.
Mercedes:
Lewis Hamilton - 9/10
Valtteri Bottas - 8/10
Ferrari:
Sebastian Vettel - 8/10
Kimi Raikkonen - X/10
Red Bull:
Daniel Ricciardo - 6/10
Max Verstappen - 8/10
Force India:
Sergio Perez - 7/10
Esteban Ocon - X/10
Williams:
Lance Stroll - 7/10
Sergey Sirotkin - 5/10
Renault:
Carlos Sainz - 8/10
Nico Hulkenberg - X/10
Toro Rosso:
Pierre Gasly - X/10
Brendon Hartley - 6/10
Haas:
Romain Grosjean - 3/10
Kevin Magnussen - 9/10
McLaren:
Fernando Alonso - 8/10
Stoffel Vandoorne - X/10
Sauber:
Marcus Ericsson - 6/10
Charles Leclerc - 9/10
Mercedes:
Lewis Hamilton - 9/10 (Basically a perfect race but there was not much pressure.)
Valtteri Bottas - 8/10 (Same thing except qualified and finished behind teammate.)
Ferrari:
Sebastian Vettel - 8/10 (This would be lower if it seemed like the tire problems were his fault.)
Kimi Raikkonen - X/10
Red Bull:
Daniel Ricciardo - 7/10
Max Verstappen - 8/10 (Possible 9, but he still had unnecessary contact.)
Force India:
Sergio Perez - 7/10
Esteban Ocon - X/10
Williams:
Lance Stroll - 7/10
Sergey Sirotkin - 3/10
Renault:
Carlos Sainz - 8/10
Nico Hulkenberg - X/10
Toro Rosso:
Pierre Gasly - X/10
Brendon Hartley - 6/10 (Maybe a 7, but he wrote off the car in practice.)
Haas:
Romain Grosjean - X/10 (Decision to stay in the gas was questionable, but there were cars coming at him where he was too. Spin was a result of the air off his teammate and reaction to his slide. A generous X.)
Kevin Magnussen - 8/10
McLaren:
Fernando Alonso - 7/10
Stoffel Vandoorne - 4/10 (Mechanical problem, but he was also far behind Alonso and made a mistake at the start to get a drive through.)
Sauber:
Marcus Ericsson - 7/10
Charles Leclerc - 9/10
A pretty high scoring week here, but it was such an uneventful race and I think the drivers who finished the race all essentially did what the car had. Except Sirotkin.
Barcelona:
Merc:
Hammy - 9 - Same as everyone else: Perfect race but didn't really have to work for it.
Val - 8 - Again: Very competent but just off Hammy's pace.
Ferrari:
Seb - 7 - Clearly team struggled on new 'improved' Pirellis, but still don't understand pitting Seb before Bottas, or why they used mediums for third stint.
Kimi - X - Retired before halfway point with mechanical issue so earns an 'X'.
Red Bull
The Pie Man - 6 - Slower than Max and spun it during VSC.
Max - 8 - Had a stupid little nibble at the Williams but was generally impressive this race.
Force India:
Perez - 7 - Decent race in a motor still lacking basic speed.
Ocon - 6 - Fast in quali but not as strong during his 38 laps of running as Sergio.
Williams
Stroller - 7 - Decent race in a motor seriously lacking basic speed.
Sirotkin - 4 - Another stellar race. Would've scored lower but severe pain courtesy of his seat can't have helped his cause.
Renault:
Sainz - 8 - Good.
Hulk - X - You know when you've been Grosjeaned!
Toro Rosso:
Greasy Peril - X - Add another one to Grosjean's tally.
J.R. - 6 - Destroyed car in P3. Okay race.
Haas:
Big Jean - 2 - Good job avoiding KMag, terrible job from then on. You can never have too much tyre smoke when a car is spinning on track....
Son of Magnus - 9 - Fast. And a vast improvement from 2017.
McLaren:
Aslan - 8 - Struggled to get past 'It is I' (well, it's Barcelona and the Sauber is nippy in a straight line) but nailed him as VSC ended.
Van Door - 4 - One giant step behind Alonso. Handy this, I never need to think of anything new to say for Toffee Van Door. See, I told you.
Sauber:
Chrill's mate Marcus - 7 - Great duelling with Sainz.
'It is I' - 9 - Really liking this guy. Not least because 'Leclerc' lends itself to an obscure (unless you're British and over 30) nickname.
All done.
Thanks, laddies. That gives us a few new results in the top 10:
Pos. Driver Rating Change in Position
1. Fernando Alonso 8.500 (0)
2. Sebastian Vettel 8.231 (0)
3. Kimi Raikkonen 7.800 (+1)
4. Daniel Ricciardo 7.643 (-1)
5. Charles Leclerc 7.611 (+2)
6. Sergio Perez 7.556 (-1)
7. Nico Hulkenberg 7.429 (-1)
8. Valtteri Bottas 7.278 (+1)
9. Kevin Magnussen 7.222 (+2)
10. Carlos Sainz, Jr. 7.111 (0)
...
20. Max Verstappen 3.882 (0)
Max Verstappen is edging closer to leaving P20. His rating is 3.882, and Romain Grosjean sits close to the Dutchman with a 4.235.
Entering the top 10 (compared to Baku) is Kevin Magnussen. He replaces Marcus Ericsson, who drops down to P11 from P8.
Other movements include Lewis Hamilton moving up to P12 thanks to a strong Spanish weekend, and Vandoorne dropping from P12 to P14 with a rather weak performance.
As always:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dnPSeVbYFM6KP0SW2SPGzJch7KAiLuaUvD4hpSWSHek/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dnPSeVbYFM6KP0SW2SPGzJch7KAiLuaUvD4hpSWSHek/edit?usp=sharing)
Le Monaco Grand Prix.
Mercedes:
Lewis Hamilton - 6/10 (Had nothing on the front two, and at times had to fight hard to keep Kimi and Bottas behind. That was not a good performance)
Valtteri Bottas - 6/10 (Like above, really. Had nothing on Kimi nor his team mate. Pale)
Ferrari:
Sebastian Vettel - 7/10 (Honestly, with Ricciardo 2-3 seconds off the pace he should have made a pass over 60 laps. P2 is really first loser here. He did reduce Hamilton's championship lead though, and Canada should suit the Ferrari)
Kimi Raikkonen - 8/10 (Tried to bring it to Lewis but never found a way past him despite having a somewhat decent speed advantage. Had no trouble keeping Bottas at bay)
Red Bull:
Daniel Ricciardo - 10/10 (What was that, 60 laps in the lead with a basically broken car? Huh. Impressive performance. Never locked up, never went wide, never made a single error. Gave Vettel no chance to pass. It doesn't get cleaner than this around Monaco)
Max Verstappen - 9/10 (Actual overtakes around Monaco. Only felt dangerous once, dancing with Sainz. That overtake looked shady AF, he failed to navigate the chicane. Still, overtaks. P20 to P9 is always great at Monaco)
Force India:
Sergio Perez - 4/10 (Considering his starting position P9, finishing outside the points is really poor. Bad strategy, perhaps? Nonetheless, not an unacceptable result when...)
Esteban Ocon - 10/10 (...when Ocon finished easily best of the rest. Started P6, finished P6. Very close to the front 5 too, considering Ricciardo's poor pace. This was, like Ricciardo, as clean as it gets around Monaco)
Williams:
Lance Stroll - 2/10 (WHAT? So insanely poor. Hit the wall TWICE in one race and suffered two punctures. Embarrassing display. Not nearly good enough)
Sergey Sirotkin - 7/10 (Despite his team fitting tyres too late and suffering a ten second stop/go, he easily outpaced Stroll. Made his strategy work at the start and passed 1-2 drivers before being penalised for something out of his control. P16 out of 17 finishers, yes, but still a pretty good drive)
Renault:
Carlos Sainz Jr - 7/10 (Tyres fell off a gigantic cliff but still managed to hang on to points. Let Verstappen by, and ended up 45 seconds behind him in 15 or so laps. Poor strategy, could not keep tyres alive, but still salvaged that final point)
Nico Hulkenberg - 8/10 (Ran the longest first stint of all, could then end the race on hypers and therefore kept Verstappen at bay. Ended 3 places in front of where he started, and that's good for Monaco standards.
Toro Rosso:
Pierre Gasly - 9/10 (Can you believe it? A weekly pick of mine WORKED! Ran a long stint, kept his cool, hounded Ocon for "best of the rest" honours. Starting P10, finishing P7. Like Hulkenberg, that is good for Monaco)
Brendon Hartley - 6/10 (Was running just outside the points when Leclerc crashed into him. Not as strong as his team mate but pretty solid nonetheless)
Haas:
Romain Grosjean - 3/10 (I honestly do not recall seeing him in this race. The Haas cars were sooo slow this weekend. With Stroll suffering multiple punctures and Sirotkin penalised, Grosjean is effectively the last car to finish)
Kevin Magnussen - 5/10 (Better than Grosjean, even keeping a McLaren at bay, but not much better at all. Never looked like challenging anyone ahead of him)
McLaren:
Fernando Alonso - 7/10 (Was running in points, P9 or somesuch, when the car's gearbox surrendered. This wasn't the stunning Alonso we're used to seeing, he could not keep up with the Toro Rosso, Renault, or Force India cars in front of him. Still, as always the better of the two McLaren drivers)
Stoffel Vandoorne - 5/10 (He beat Grosjean, Stroll, and Sirotkin. This is not good enough, Stoffmeister. Got to step it up. Emerged with smoking hot hyper softs but could not get past the very slow Ricciardo at the end)
Sauber:
Marcus Ericsson - 8/10 (P16 to P11? Good stuff. P16 to P12 had it not been for the crash between Leclerc and Hartley, which is still good stuff. Made an actual pass, around Monaco, to get past Stroll. The only other actual pass I saw this weekend was Verstappen on lots of people)
Charles Leclerc - 6/10 (I may have to revise this depending on what Sauber state as cause for that incident, but it looked to me like he simply drove too close to Hartley for too long. Rookie mistake that made his brakes too hot and they gave up. He was not conservative enough today, and that led to his retirement)
Driver of the day? Obviously Ricciardo, but shoutouts to Gasly and Ocon.
Monaco:
Merc:
Hammy - 6
Val - 6
Ferrari:
Seb - 7
Kimi - 6
Red Bull
The Pie Man - 9
Max - 5 - Hefty points deduction for ruining weekend in P3.
Force India:
Perez - 4
Ocon - 8
Williams
Stroller - 1 - I'm feeling generous today.
Sirotkin - 8
Renault:
Sainz - 7
Hulk - 8
Toro Rosso:
Greasy Peril - 8
J.R. - 5
Haas:
Big Jean - 4
Son of Magnus - 5
McLaren:
Aslan - 7
Van Door - 5
Sauber:
Chrill's mate Marcus - 6
'It is I' - 6
More words may follow. Or they may not.
Ricciardo a 9? His brakes were basically on fire and he managed to not crash for 60 laps. This was very "Schumacher stuck in fifth gear but still brings it home"-esque, this race :P
Oh well, something magic has happened courtesy of our two ratings. Verstappen is P19, not at the very bottom of the standings. Who took his place? Obviously Rome-man Grow-Sean.
Pos. Driver Rating Change in Position
1. Fernando Alonso 8.350 (0)
2. Sebastian Vettel 7.900 (0)
3. Daniel Ricciardo 7.875 (+1)
4. Kimi Raikkonen 7.706 (-1)
5. Nico Hulkenberg 7.500 (+2)
6. Charles Leclerc 7.450 (-1)
7. Sergio Perez 7.200 (-1)
8. Valtteri Bottas 7.150 (0)
9. Carlos Sainz, Jr. 7.100 (+1)
10. Marcus Ericsson 7.059 (+1)
...
20. Romain Grosjean 4.158 (-1)
Ericsson returns to the top 10, Magnussen shunted from P9 to P11. Hulk moves up two spots to go P5. Other +/-2 movers are Ocon (P16 to P14) and Stroll (P15 to P17). Verstappen is up to nineteenth with an average score of 4.211. His highest rating comes from M4A1Carbein (5.750) and his lowest from Penfold and Matt (3.667).
Quote from: Chrill on May 30, 2018, 12:38:17 AM
Ricciardo a 9? His brakes were basically on fire and he managed to not crash for 60 laps. This was very "Schumacher stuck in fifth gear but still brings it home"-esque, this race :P
Dealt with rear brakes overheating by shunting brake bias frontwards and with some coasting into the corners, something that any F1 driver should be able to manage. The fact he was able to keep Vettel behind in such a scenario is impressive, but mostly down to the vagaries the track - 'just' need to nail Portier each lap for a good run through the tunnel. Perhaps someone not in the title fight would've gone for a dive but didn't seem likely that Seb would try. Also, no real competition in qualifying so tough to gauge quality of his lap - needed Max as a comparator.
Fair enough. The fact alone he didn't retire puts him at a 9 for me, and then managing to keep the lead gives at least one extra point :P
I'm probably in a minority of one in not awarding a perfect ten to The Pie Man. So... no-one else scoring Monaco?
Ohai tharr Canada.
Mercedes:
Lewis Hamilton - 5/10 (Really unimpressive performance, lost out to Ricciardo in the pits and never challenged up front. Sure, it seems this was caused by an old overheating engine but Bottas had the same engine age, did he not?
Valtteri Bottas - 8/10 (Never had the pace to challenge for victory, but P2 was way ahead of his team mate. 8/10 is a fair score)
Ferrari:
Sebastian Vettel - 9/10 (I can't award a 10, because he never had to fight. Clean getaway, great safety car restart, then coasted him. Easy win)
Kimi Raikkonen - 5/10 (He was as impressive as the reigning world champion here. Which means not very impressive. Lacklustre race put him firmly in P6 and never had the pace to attack Lewis or the Red Bulls)
Red Bull:
Daniel Ricciardo - 7/10 (Clearly the slower Red Bull, but definitely not by much at all)
Max Verstappen - 8/10 (Clearly the faster Red Bull, but definitely not by much at all. Clean race, and a podium!)
Force India:
Sergio Perez - 6/10 (Was he in the race? He was? Oh yeah, he had that turn 1 incident, then went for a weird strategy which left him way down the field)
Esteban Ocon - 8/10 (Fair bit better, this. He never could fight the Renaults, but P9 and two points is better than that P14 finish of his mate)
Williams:
Lance Stroll - 3/10 (I blame Stroll. He forced Hartley off the track and then didn't see that the Kiwi had remained on his inside? Puncture? Well slow down then. Stupid)
Sergey Sirotkin - 2/10 (The slowest, by far, driver this weekend. Had no chance to match even the slowest cars in front of him. Really poor)
Renault:
Carlos Sainz Jr - 7/10 (Fought with his team mate but drew the shorter straw. Solid points finish)
Nico Hulkenberg - 8/10 (As above, but in front of his team mate. Best of the rest)
Toro Rosso:
Pierre Gasly - 8/10 (From way down on the grid to nearly a points finish. Solid midfield drive from the Ghastly Gasly)
Brendon Hartley - X/10 (Aww man. He needed luck, he got Stroll)
Haas:
Romain Grosjean - 8/10 (Just like Gasly, started from the back and oh so nearly made his alternative strategy work)
Kevin Magnussen - 4/10 (Started further up the grid but lost out to Grosjean in the end. Not a solid weekend, Kevin)
McLaren:
Fernando Alonso - 7/10 (Battled for points when his car, once again, gave up. Had the upper hand on Vandoorne throughout the weekend, but only just, before leaving the Belgian in the dust come race day)
Stoffel Vandoorne - 3/10 (You only beat Sirotkin. Not good enough. Sorry Stoffel)
Sauber:
Marcus Ericsson - 4/10 (You only beat Sirotkin. And Vandoorne. Not good enough. Sorry Marcus)
Charles Leclerc - 9/10 (Keeps showing Sauber which of their two drivers is the better one. The difference in speed right now is not just driver skill, Charles is so confident. Drives in a mature and controlled fashion. Impressive)
Driver of the day? Vettel, honorable mentions to Leclerc.
Your scores look pretty much bang on this time - good job ;)
Mine to come later....
This definitely qualifies as later.
Canada:
Merc:
Hammy - 5 - Messy qualifying and a dull race performance.
Val - 8 - Needs to find that extra tenth or two in qualifying to be in a position for race wins.
Ferrari:
Seb - 9 - Found that extra tenth or two in qualifying to be in a position for the race win.
Kimi - 5 - That's the Kimi we've come to know these past few years. Wow, just thinking back to how fast he was in the olden days.
Red Bull
The Pie Man - 7 - Good but never had the pace of this next chap...
Max - 8 - ... yeah, Mr Crashalots was fast and clean. Good to see.
Force India:
Perez - 5 - Worst I've seen from Serge for an age.
Ocon - 7 - Solid enough but nothing eye-catching.
Williams
Stroller - 2 - Mr Twitchy Hands lost control of the car and almost flipped J.R. onto his head.
Sirotkin - 3 - Slow. I mean, really slow. But hey, at least he returned an entire car to his team.
Renault:
Sainz - 7 - Okay. A touch behind Hulk all weekend but for me not enough to split them by a full point.
Hulk - 7 - Bit better than okay. See above comment.
Toro Rosso:
Greasy Peril - 8 - Good recovery drive. Car had decent pace with new engine running well.
J.R. - X - Poor bastard. Solid qualifying but no chance to convert into a solid drive.
Haas:
Big Jean - 8 - Nifty progress from plumb last. Will be happy to have bested KMag.
Son of Magnus - 4 - Fairly awful.
McLaren:
Aslan - 7 - Good but is now Matt's no. 2 so DNFs are inevitable.
Van Door - 3 - One giant step behind Alonso. Handy this, I never need to think of anything new to say for Toffee Van Door.
Sauber:
Chrill's mate Marcus - 4 - Oh dear.
'It is I' - 9 - Superb point. Will he be ready for Ferrari next year?
Cheers!
No Matt or M4A1?
Seems not.
Are you enjoying my string of highly original comments for Toffee Van Door? Some of my best work.
It's getting a bit stale. Much like his driving.
On the other hand, if you look at the average lap times for Le Mans, Alonso easily beat all of his teammates, who are quite good. So maybe Vandoorne is not doing that badly.
There is, of course, the greatness of Alonso to consider, but I just get this sense that the gulf between them is wider than last year.
Quote from: Chrill on June 19, 2018, 02:03:20 AM
Cheers!
No Matt or M4A1?
Sorry for my absence. Got married a few weeks ago and have been away for a few weeks. I?ll revisit the last 2 races and post my ratings.
Quote from: M4A1Carbine on June 21, 2018, 10:07:18 AM
Quote from: Chrill on June 19, 2018, 02:03:20 AM
Cheers!
No Matt or M4A1?
Sorry for my absence. Got married a few weeks ago and have been away for a few weeks. I?ll revisit the last 2 races and post my ratings.
That is no excuse. I'm getting married 18 August, but that's perfectly slap bang in the middle of the summer break. There's a race the weekend after, am not missing that.
On another note, congratulations for the wedding! Who is the lucky one, you or your partner? :P
France was a dizzy track with lots of colours and, apparently, an inability to actually get to and from the track for spectators.
Mercedes:
Lewis Hamilton - 9/10 (Was never in any doubt, had this win secured by the second corner and drove as such)
Valtteri Bottas - 6/10 (Punted off the track by Vettel, but failed to replicate the Ferrari man's return to the front)
Ferrari:
Sebastian Vettel - 7/10 (Driving wise, at least a 9. Let's say 9.5. Removing 2.5 points for that useless first corner)
Kimi Raikkonen - 6/10 (Unimpressive. Only made the podium because of Vettel-Bottas and a Ricciardo engine issue)
Red Bull:
Daniel Ricciardo - 6/10 (Had nothing against Verstappen this weekend)
Max Verstappen - 8/10 (The only one who, at least sometimes during the race, managed to keep up with Hamilton. Strong weekend, strong race)
Force India:
Sergio Perez - 5/10 (Rather unspectacular race and then retired with an engine issue)
Esteban Ocon - X/10 (I haven't decided who to blame, him or Gasly)
Williams:
Lance Stroll - 4/10 (What a rookie error! That tyre was gone and he kept driving. He should have known that there was no way it wouldn't deflate. Silly)
Sergey Sirotkin - 5/10 (As slow as his team mate but made it to the end. That deserves an extra point)
Renault:
Carlos Sainz Jr - 8/10 (Ran as high as third after the start, fell down behind K-Mag in the end. Still, a very strong race. Nice)
Nico Hulkenberg - 7/10 (Not nearly as strong, or so I felt when watching. Still, finished just behind his team mate so maybe he actually was pretty strong?)
Toro Rosso:
Pierre Gasly - X/10 (I haven't decided who to blame, him or Ocon)
Brendon Hartley - 5/10 (Ran a ridiculously long stint on ultras, no doubt hoping for rain to save him a pit stop. Never materialised, and so fell down the order. In the end only Williams finished behind him)
Haas:
Romain Grosjean - 5/10 (Was he in the race? He crashed Ocon at the start and then sort of managed to drop down the order despite starting in the top ten. He just can't score points this year!)
Kevin Magnussen - 9/10 (What a strong race! P6, even kept Bottas behind him at the end there. Nice driving saw him pass Leclerc and Sainz to secure best of the rest)
McLaren:
Fernando Alonso - 5/10 (He was overtaken by Stoffel. That says it all)
Stoffel Vandoorne - 7/10 (Actually had the better race when compared to his world champion Le Mans winning team mate. Poor starting position made P12 the best he could hope for)
Sauber:
Marcus Ericsson - 6/10 (With pretty much zero practice, P15 was a pretty strong qualifying. Clean start saw him P11 but was passed by both Vandoorne and Hartley. After that he had a much better second half of the race but was obviously never in contention for anything other than a non-points finish)
Charles Leclerc - 9/10 (It sucks to be Swedish right now, but Leclerc is perhaps the driver kicking the most team mate butt. Such impressive performances lately, I'm almost certain he is heading for Ferrari in 2019)
Interesting statistic on Max. For his first 4 races, I rated him 4-3-1-0 which averages out at 2.0 per race. For his last 4 races, he's 7-9-9-8 which averages out at 8.25. Talk about improvement.
Not crashing makes all the difference.
France - Tedious DRS-fuelled race at a visually hideous circuit.
Merc:
Hammy - 8 - I've been giving nine points for this sort of victory cruise (pole, lead from start, no need to really push), but sod it, they're only getting eight from now on.
Val - 7 - Was a tiny fraction off Hammy in qualifying; taken out of race contention by Seb - considerable damage to rear of car impeded progress.
Ferrari:
Seb - 6 - Screwed his (and Valerie's) race at turn one. Muppet.
Kimi - 6 - Pretty ordinary but at least he didn't hit anyone.
Red Bull
The Pie Man - 6 - Nothing fancy.
Max - 8 - Just about an eight. As fast as car would allow.
Force India:
Perez - 5 - Well off Ocon in qualifying, mediocre in race.
Ocon - X - Both he and Gasly at fault for crash.
Williams
Stroller - 3 - Painfully slow, but is it them, the car, or a joint effort?
Sirotkin - 4 - Correct, it's a joint effort. Didn't drive until his tyre blew - good going!
Renault:
Sainz - 8 - Very good but hindered at end of race by some power issue - bloody Renaults!
Hulk - 5 - A rare off weekend for Nico.
Toro Rosso:
Greasy Peril - X - Sharing blame for crash with Ocon.
J.R. - 4 - Miles behind Gasly in qualifying, rarely spotted in race.
Haas:
Big Jean - 4 - Crashed in quali and went backwards in the race.
Son of Magnus - 8 - Good driving but a weirdly slow lap in Q3. Should've been starting ahead of 'It is I' and Sainz.
McLaren:
Aslan - 6 - I almost can't believe how bad the car was this race. Kept out on tyres far too long, presumably in hope of a downpour.
Van Door - 6 - Finished ahead of teamie thanks to better tyre choices, but still losing out in qualifying.
Sauber:
Chrill's mate Marcus - 5 - Okay performance given lack of running, but then perhaps don't stuff it in practice?
'It is I' - 9 - Now this guy deserves a nine.
Oh boy, someone's a bit grumpy. I'd say some of your ratings are a bit too low. Magnussen had a 9-pointer for sure, and did Hartley really deserve a 4? :P Oh well, ratings added to my document now!
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dnPSeVbYFM6KP0SW2SPGzJch7KAiLuaUvD4hpSWSHek/edit#gid=688805631
I am a bit grumpy with F1 in general these days (and by these days I mean since the 'temporary' introduction of DRS back in 2011), but as for my scoring, well I'm just giving myself a bit more headroom to reward the truly exceptional efforts. KMag had a great drive but was docked a point for his lacklustre effort in Q3 - if you don't punish them for such failings how will they ever learn?
Huh. I posted here yesterday. Ratings and all. Oh well. The ratings are added to the MF1 document.
Driver of the race was Grosjean or Max, I believe. Honorable mentions to either no other, or several others.
Scores without comments, it's not quite the same.
Max as my driver of the day. Fifty six consistently fast laps on a compound which his team-mate had shredded after just twenty trips round the circuit - I think he may even earn a perfect ten.
Well come on then, give us scores too.
Matt and M4A1, y'all need to return to rating as well.
I'll do them tomorrow morning.
And here they are:
Austria - Unexpectedly exciting. All hail the vagaries of modern technology.
Merc:
Hammy - 6 - Missed out on pole, jumped Valerie at start, didn't pit under VSC (his responsibility & the team's), shredded tyres during second stint.
Val - 7 - Got pole, lost positions at start, quickly made back some positions, car died.
Ferrari:
Seb - 7 - Silly penalty in qualifying but drove well enough in race.
Kimi - 7 - No penalty in qualifying and drove well enough in race.
Red Bull
The Pie Man - 5 - Destroyed his softs in 20 laps flat.
Max - 10 - Given team-mates tyre woes this was an impressive display of fast but considered driving. Also bested Dan in quali and made a nice (almost clean) move on Kimi in the race.
Force India:
Perez - 7 - Healthy points haul for FI thanks to retirements. Didn't reach Q2 but only just off Ocon in race.
Ocon - 8 - Marginally the better performer across the weekend.
Williams
Stroller - 5 - Hard to score as car is in a league of its own - unfortunately a lower league than the others.
Sirotkin - 5 - Seemed okay compared to Stroll. How else can we judge their pace except off each other?
Renault:
Sainz - 4 - Consistently faster than Hulk in practice & quali, was then awful in the race. Zero points despite several top cars dropping out.
Hulk - 6 - Tough to score off so few laps. Don't think I can go higher than a six.
Toro Rosso:
Greasy Peril - 6 - Won the qualifying battle by a margin. Not enough tyre left to hold off Alonso & the Saubers.
J.R. - 5 - Lost the qualifying battle. Think he was running behind Gasly before retirement.
Haas:
Big Jean - 9 - Great on Saturday & Sunday, chuck in an overtake or pressure from behind and it'd be a ten.
Son of Magnus - 8 - Strong but just off Grosjean, hence one less point.
McLaren:
Aslan - 9 - Went easy on tyres early on which gave the opportunity of points, grabbed them with both hands. A ten if not for damaging car in Q3 and thus starting from pit lane.
Van Door - 4 - Not miles off Alonso in qualifying but made up for that aberration on Sunday.
Sauber:
Chrill's mate Marcus - 8 - Great first stint on the softs. In fact, if not for his lamentable performance on Saturday he may well have bagged nine points.
'It is I' - 8 - Continues to impress. Blistering over the single lap and solid in the race.
Thank you, mister Pen.
Who ruled Britannia? Well, let's find out..
Mercedes:
Lewis Hamilton - 6/10 (He can drive for sure, but he has a 2-second advantage to the guys he passed. He also lost the start to put himself in a position where Kimi could hit him. Not a great race, although did hang on to second when Bottas failed to keep his equally old tyres alive. Deducting one point for his childish tantrums and post-race excuses)
Valtteri Bottas - 6/10 (He was ahead at the end through merely keeping out of everyone's way. Defended valiantly for a while before dropping down the order having destroyed his tyres. Mediocre at best)
Ferrari:
Sebastian Vettel - 10/10 (Neck issue? No issue. Won the start and never looked back. Had to fight for the win because of the Safety Car, so he did. Neat stuff on a supposed Mercedes track)
Kimi Raikkonen - 7/10 (Smacked right into Lewis Hamilton, and then mimicked his return up the field after pitting for his 10 second penalty. Didn't have what it took to pass the Brit again near the end)
Red Bull:
Daniel Ricciardo - 7/10 (Red Bull raced in no man's land this weekend. Nowhere near fast enough to challenge the top two teams but way ahead of the rest. Made for a dull race and a P5 finish)
Max Verstappen - 7/10 (Like his mate, but DNFing from in front of him)
Force India:
Sergio Perez - 6/10 (Made a silly error at the start but fought back to claim a final point after Gasly was demoted for passing the Sergio)
Esteban Ocon - 8/10 (Within a second of taking "Best of the rest" honors this weekend. Way more impressive than that team mate of his)
Williams:
Lance Stroll - X/10 (Watching these two languish around at the back is no fun. This team deserves more. Could do nothing, simply didn't have the car. So unremarkable I cannot possibly rate them)
Sergey Sirotkin - X/10 (Watching these two languish around at the back is no fun. This team deserves more. Could do nothing, simply didn't have the car. So unremarkable I cannot possibly rate them)
Renault:
Carlos Sainz Jr - 7/10 (Clean getaway saw him running in the points immediately despite starting 16th. Then had some bad luck with pit stops and safety cars before trying to overtake that crazy French guy Rome Man. It wasn't to be)
Nico Hulkenberg - 9/10 (The Renault had a clear power deficit here. Did it bother the Hulk? Nah. Best of the rest. Sure, lost 2 seconds per lap to the top 6 after the safety car but still held on for P7. Neat)
Toro Rosso:
Pierre Gasly - 8/10 (The Honda is weak. Gasly is not. Strong drive. Was on for P10 but made the move stick a bit too aggressively. Could just as well have been in the points)
Brendon Hartley - X/10 (No race for him)
Haas:
Romain Grosjean - 4/10 (Touching his team mate at the start, then pitching Sainz after the safety car. Messy race. My fault, he was my weekly)
Kevin Magnussen - 6/10 (Not quite as messy, but honestly should have finished in P7 here. P9 is, in that regard, a failure)
McLaren:
Fernando Alonso - 8/10 (Considering where McLaren currently qualify, Alonso continuing to score is nothing short of remarkable. Some decent racecraft saw him finish ahead of Magnussen. Is he really done with F1 after this season? I hope not)
Stoffel Vandoorne - 4/10 (Keeps being distanced by Alonso. No wonder, considering who Alonso is, but still the gap is too big. Arguably the biggest gap to a team mate over the course of 2018 so far. He has lost ALL qualis to Alonso.
Sauber:
Marcus Ericsson - 6/10 (Crashed after doing a Grosjean (miss the DRS button due to bumps) but was on course for points. Clumsy way to go)
Charles Leclerc - 7/10 (DNF after some sort of pit stop error. Did they fail to attach a tyre? Possibly, I never quite saw what happened. Was on course for points, as is usual for him)
guuuuuuuuyyyyyysss. Nobody is rating anymore. We needs you.
Later today, that's when I've been planning to do my scores all along. I absolutely did not completely forget that I hadn't rated Silverstone....
Grand Bretagne:
Merc:
Hammy - 7 - Good effort for pole ruined by a poor start. Lots of DRS passes through the field but ultimately lucky that second safety car saved him from attack by Kimi.
Val - 6 - Off Hammy in quali but kept it clean in race; should've been called in for tyres during safety car period to safeguard second place.
Ferrari:
Seb - 9 - Perfect race but didn't have to fight for win with his main competitor.
Kimi - 7 - Took out (somewhat) Seb's main competitor... racing incident but surely still worth a congratulatory slap on the back from Ferrari. Seemed genuinely fast all weekend.
Red Bull
The Pie Man - 7 - Like that other chap said, Red Bull competing with themselves this time.
Max - 7 - Was edging Dan for fifth before yet another technical issue.
Force India:
Perez - 6 - Snatched a solitary point.
Ocon - 8 - Bagged a healthy six.
Williams
Stroller - 5 - Hard to score as car is in a league of its own - unfortunately a lower league than the others.
Sirotkin - 5 - Seemed okay compared to Stroll. How else can we judge their pace except off each other?
Renault:
Sainz - 6 - Off Hulk's pace and perhaps not the smartest place to try and pass the accident prone Grosjean.
Hulk - 8 - More helpful points for Renault.
Toro Rosso:
Greasy Peril - 7 - Seemed like a decent effort. I didn't pay him that much attention.
J.R. - X - Rod Stewart (among others) once sang: "Some guys have all the luck". Sadly the next line: "Some guys have all the pain", is far more apt for Brendon.
Haas:
Big Jean - 4 - Lost control of car and collected Sainz. More points lost.
Son of Magnus - 6 - Haas machinery was best of the rest this weekend, the drivers were not.
McLaren:
Aslan - 8 - Keeps on bringing home the bacon (points) despite limitations of car; if only they could qualify in the top ten he'd be racing with guys like Hulk.
Van Door - 3 - Almost one whole second off Alonso in quali. Finished ahead of only Gasly (courtesy of his time penalty), and the two Williams (carrying a massive car penalty)....
Sauber:
Chrill's mate Marcus - 5 - My pick. Could've scored but fancied trying a high speed crash instead.
'It is I' - 8 - Deprived of points by pit lane error (loose wheel). Well clear of Eric's son in quali.
Let us rate some more. Germany, for example.
Mercedes:
Lewis Hamilton - 8/10 (I hear the word masterclass thrown around. Fact is, he won from P14 because he got lucky with the safety car but then again, he WON FROM P14. He made his strategy work by running really far on softs, that was impressive and warrants 8 out of 10)
Valtteri Bottas - 8/10 (The better Mercedes at the end but told to back down. Very sad to see)
Ferrari:
Sebastian Vettel - 7/10 (You binned it. Before that, pure domination. Then you binned it)
Kimi Raikkonen - 7/10 (Could not match Mercedes or his team mate. So yeah, here he is)
Red Bull:
Daniel Ricciardo - 7/10 (Did what he could, which wasn't much. Then retired)
Max Verstappen - 6/10 (I'm sure he was in the race. It's just, Red Bull was far slower than the top two here. Could not challenge them. No man's land)
Force India:
Sergio Perez - 8/10 (Hunted for "best of rest" honors, ended up P7. Solid)
Esteban Ocon - 8/10 (Finished one second behind his team mate after starting further down. Some neat defensive driving here too. Good!)
Williams:
Lance Stroll - 4/10 (Distanced by his Russian team mate here. I'm surprised)
Sergey Sirotkin - 7/10 (Retired after running surprisingly far up the grid. I hope this is the change of form Williams have been searching for)
Renault:
Carlos Sainz Jr - 6/10 (Rather messy race, he was one of those who went for inters. Also, overtook Ericsson behind the Safety Car which was just absurd. He straight out passed him on a straight. Penalised for that)
Nico Hulkenberg - 10/10 (P5 in a Renault at a power circuit. Best of the rest was not on the table but he made it happen anyway. Wow. Great driving here)
Toro Rosso:
Pierre Gasly - 4/10 (Pitted for full wets. Sure, probably the team had to gamble but it was an absurd call which relegated him to the rear)
Brendon Hartley - 7/10 (Hey look at you, scoring points in a messy race. Great!)
Haas:
Romain Grosjean - 8/10 (The Haas qualifies better than it races, but Grosjean fought for his P6 finish by coming through the pack on fresh rubber near the end. Great end to a race)
Kevin Magnussen - 5/10 (Like a couple others, he made poor decisions when the rain came down. Shoved him out of the points)
McLaren:
Fernando Alonso - 6/10 (For once he seemed rather uninspired, languishing near the bottom of the points and pulling in with two laps to go)
Stoffel Vandoorne - 7/10 (Based on what Alonso said, that Vandoorne has less downforce and McLaren cannot explain why, I guess this drive was good)
Sauber:
Marcus Ericsson - 8/10 (Ran a long first stint on softs, then a really long stint on ultras. Was so fast on ultras, in fact, that Hamilton made the same call two laps later. I guess Ericsson helped Hamilton win this. Two points in the bag)
Charles Leclerc - 6/10 (Sorry Leclerc. This was your first dance with rain in F1 and you lost the battle. Poor call to pit, poor timing, and then a few spins in the wet. Not a very strong race)
Driver of the race? Hulkenberg, honorable mentions to Grosjean, Perez, and Hamilton.
Germany - None of my inane ramblings just the cold, hard numbers.
Merc:
Hammy - 8
Val - 7
Ferrari:
Seb - 6
Kimi - 7
Red Bull
The Pie Man - X
Max - 7
Force India:
Perez - 8
Ocon - 7
Williams
Stroller - 4
Sirotkin - 7
Renault:
Sainz - 5
Hulk - 9
Toro Rosso:
Greasy Peril - 5
J.R. - 7
Haas:
Big Jean - 8
Son of Magnus - 6
McLaren:
Aslan - 6
Van Door - 6
Sauber:
Chrill's mate Marcus - 8
'It is I' - 5
Right, yes, but it's Hungary now.
Then you'd better feed it.
And thus begins my Hungary rating spree
Mercedes:
Lewis Hamilton - 9/10 (Really clean, grabbed pole position in the rain and never had to look back in the race. Dominant. Which is absurd, seeing how Mercedes definitely lacked pace in free practice)
Valtteri Bottas - 7/10 (As always, the 'wing man' had his strategy compromised to favour Lewis Hamilton. Did what he could, fought back hard and ended up slamming into Ricciardo because his front wing had literally no effect)
Ferrari:
Sebastian Vettel - 8/10 (Beat Kimi at the start despite harder tyres. Ran a long final stint on ultras)
Kimi Raikkonen - 6/10 (Softer tyres so that he could challenge Mercedes at the start. Couldn't. Mediocre showing)
Red Bull:
Daniel Ricciardo - 8/10 (Decent comeback, but in all honesty a Red Bull should pass "the rest" to join the top two teams no matter where they start)
Max Verstappen - 7/10 (Ran OK before the engine cut out. Yay for Renualt...)
Force India:
Sergio Perez - 5/10 (Messy race, never close to points)
Esteban Ocon - 6/10 (Like his team mate, but not as bad)
Williams:
Lance Stroll - 4/10 (Desperately slow throughout the race)
Sergey Sirotkin - 6/10 (At least ran ahead of Vandoorne and Ericsson for a little while, but then Vandoorne found speed and Ericsson overtook him. Aaaand Williams is dead last again)
Renault:
Carlos Sainz Jr - 7/10 (Solid points haul, but helped massively by a great qualifying. Should arguably have challenged Gasly for "best of the rest" but instead dropped back)
Nico Hulkenberg - 5/10 (I don't know if he got the strategy wrong or what happened, but P12 is not good enough)
Toro Rosso:
Pierre Gasly - 9/10 (Started 6th, finished sixth. Ricciardo passed him, but he passed Sainz. Really impressive, really strong)
Brendon Hartley - 7/10 (Toro Rosso messed his race up. Was more or less matching Gasly, yet in the end finished 5 spots behind him. Pitted too early, went for mediums, and got caught in traffic)
Haas:
Romain Grosjean - 6/10 (Well points at least, so we cannot complain too much. Still, dropped back compared to where he started from)
Kevin Magnussen - 8/10 (Still reliably the faster Haas driver, not much else to say. Managed to pass a couple guys on his way to P7)
McLaren:
Fernando Alonso - 8/10 (I don't know how he does it, but he does it. Points all the time despite not driving a top 10 car)
Stoffel Vandoorne - 8/10 (New chassis finally gave him a decent weekend. Yes, he's 12-0 down on Alonso on Saturdays, but ran right behind him throughout the race before retiring with a gearbox issue or whatever that was)
Sauber:
Marcus Ericsson - 6/10 (Shame! He outqualified Leclerc thanks to tricky conditions, but then he bumped into Ricciardo and his race was over after turn 1)
Charles Leclerc - X/10 (Went out in Q1 for the first time in a long while, and then retired the car after lap 1 having been sandwiched by the Force Indias. Not his weekend)
Hungary:
Merc:
Hammy - 9 - Only had to keep it clean in the race but good pole lap bumps him to a nine.
Val - 6 - Sacrificed (as at Silverstone) for Hammy's benefit. Drove well until his tyres were knackered and he failed to back out when being passed by Seb & Dan - had Grosjean made the same errors everyone would've been jumping up and down calling him a numpty.
Ferrari:
Seb - 8 - Thought at the start they should've stuck him on ultras for a better shot of passing Bottas down into turn one; instead he was marooned behind the Finn and too far back to ever challenge Lewis.
Kimi - 7 - Pitted once more than Bottas and still caught him with laps to spare - shows how terrible Merc's strategy was for their number two.
Red Bull
The Pie Man - 9 - Got screwed in quali by Stroll's crash but drove well through the field - at least DRS at Hungary doesn't make it insanely easy for an under-powered Red Bull.
Max - X - Too few laps.
Force India:
Perez - 5 - Sent out too early in qualifying and ran out of rubber as track conditions improved.
Ocon - 6 - Same as above but performed marginally better.
Williams
Stroller - 4 - Quicker in quali but then crashed it, meaning old-spec front wing and pit lane start.
Sirotkin - 5 - Slower in quali but at least he didn't crash... that's the most positive comment I can make.
Renault:
Sainz - 6 - Ninth from P5 on the grid is not exactly stunning - would've been tenth had Max finished.
Hulk - 4 - Twelfth from P13 on the grid is not exactly stunning - gained one place courtesy of Max's DNF.
Toro Rosso:
Greasy Peril - 10 - Clearly the car worked well round here (and in the wet) but what a drive for a rookie.
J.R. - 8 - Good quali & drive undermined by team tactics.
Haas:
Big Jean - 6 - Started and finished tenth. Okay.
Son of Magnus - 8 - Moved up the field. Better than okay.
McLaren:
Aslan - 8 - Good strategy by McLaren vaulted them up the field - including ahead of a clearly irritated Grosjean - but still required a classy drive to capitalise.
Van Door - 7 - Still over half a second off Alonso in Q1 but caught him in race and stayed there until his premature end.
Sauber:
Chrill's mate Marcus - 5 - Clipped Dan at turn one then some other things happened... not sure what as I didn't spot him after that (race in highlights format doesn't help with keeping track of the lower order).
'It is I' - X - Squished by the Force Indias.
Thank you, I appreciate your swift ratings. I shall update the document in due time.
Definitely easier to do these ratings a day or two after a race rather than a week (or more!) after the affair... who would've thought it. :)
Belgium? Belgium.
Mercedes:
Lewis Hamilton - 6/10 (Masterclass in qualifying, extremely mediocre in the race. Had nothing on the Ferrari, and frankly struggled to keep the Racing Point Force India at bay at the start)
Valtteri Bottas - 8/10 (Made up decent ground from his lowly starting position, but with this power advantage he should have been closer to Verstappen)
Ferrari:
Sebastian Vettel - 9/10 (It's fair to argue Ferrari has a faster car right now. With that in mind, passing Hamilton for the lead and keeping Ocon behind is worthy of no more than 9. Strong drive, controlling, exactly what he should have delivered both in Hungary and Germany)
Kimi Raikkonen - X/10 (Car was damaged by Ricciardo after a flying Alonso tapped the rear of the Red Bull)
Red Bull:
Daniel Ricciardo - X/10 (Cannot really be blamed for the early retirement. That car was in ruins courtesy of the flying Spaniardman)
Max Verstappen - 8/10 (Passed the Force Indias, kept his distance to Bottas, and secured a reasonable P3)
Force India:
Sergio Perez - 8/10 (Great quali in the wet, then secured best of the rest honours ahead of his team mate. Impressive for this "new" team)
Esteban Ocon - 8/10 (Like his friend Sergio, but behind him despite starting in front. Had an opportunity to take the lead at the start, but wisely backed out. That left him behind Perez too)
Williams:
Lance Stroll - 6/10 (The car looked better than it has done for a while now, enough to finish ahead of Hartley and Vandoorne at least. Acceptable)
Sergey Sirotkin - 7/10 (Briefly ran in the points at the start but dropped back. Still, he continuously beats his more experienced team mate. Team mate in Monza too? Maybe)
Renault:
Carlos Sainz Jr - 5/10 (Started at the back and had no part in the race for points. Very invisible)
Nico Hulkenberg - 2/10 (Appalling misjudgement of his braking points, took out a quarter of the grid in one go. Very Grosjeanesque, and a harsh 10 place demotion on Monza's grid)
Toro Rosso:
Pierre Gasly - 7/10 (Started P10, finished P9. That is after two of the drivers in front retired. In other words, he went backwards. Still, two points at Spa is decent for a Honda engine)
Brendon Hartley - 5/10 (Started alongside Gasly, finished far back. Not good enough)
Haas:
Romain Grosjean - 7/10 (More or less held his ground in this race, keeping his perhaps faster team mate behind so that's good. Solid points haul)
Kevin Magnussen - 7/10 (Started further back than his team mate, made it up to him in the race but never managed to pass him. Like RoGro, a solid points haul)
McLaren:
Fernando Alonso - X/10 (Violated from behind by the Hulk. Heh.)
Stoffel Vandoorne - 4/10 (Dead last, as usual. He's just not good enough this season)
Sauber:
Marcus Ericsson - 8/10 (3 points finishes in 5 races, despite getting involved in a first corner shunt at Hungary. Impressive run of form, and is looking closer to Leclerc in qualifying too. I really hope he gets to complete the season at Sauber, because his form looks to be steadily improving)
Charles Leclerc - X/10 (Violated from above by Alonso, courtesy of the Hulk. Oh Lord)
Before I enter my Belgian scores in my dear document, let's check out some of the stats at the HALFWAY POINT IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP (sort of):
Leaderboard:
1. Fernando Alonso, 7.906
2. Sebastian Vettel, 7.844
3. Charles Leclerc, 7.533
4. Daniel Ricciardo, 7.407
5. Nico Hulkenberg, 7.321
6. Kimi Raikkonen, 7.207
7. Valtteri Bottas, 7.063
8. Pierre Gasly, 7.000
9. Lewis Hamilton, 6.938
10. Kevin Magnussen, 6.875
11. Carlos Sainz, 6.813
= . Sergio Perez, 6.813
13. Marcus Ericsson, 6.655
14. Esteban Ocon, 6.643
15. Brendon Hartley, 5.857
16. Stoffel Vandoorne, 5.677
17. Max Verstappen 5.500
18. Romain Grosjean, 5.097
19. Lance Stroll, 5.032
20. Sergey Sirotkin, 4.800
Team mate gaps:
1. Fernando Alonso vs. Stoffel Vandoorne, 2.229
2. Daniel Ricciardo vs. Max Verstappen, 1.907
3. Kevin Magnussen vs. Romain Grosjean, 1.778
4. Pierre Gasly vs. Brendon Hartley, 1.143
5. Charles Leclerc vs. Marcus Ericsson, 0.878
6. Sebastian Vettel vs. Kimi Raikkonen, 0.637
7. Nico H?lkenberg vs. Carlos Sainz, 0.509
8. Lance Stroll vs. Sergey Sirotkin, 0.232
9. Sergio Perez vs. Esteban Ocon, 0.170
10. Valtteri Bottas vs. Lewis Hamilton, 0.125
Top 5 Race Average Ratings
1. Hungary, 6.789
2. Austria, 6.750
2. Germany, 6.750
4. Australia, 6.745
5. Spain, 6.699
Lowest 5 Race Average Ratings:
1. Canada, 6.184
2. France, 6.250
3. China, 6.300
4. Monaco, 6.350
5. Great Britain, 6.526
A higher average means more drivers performed strongly, it does not rate the race as such.
As always, link to document here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dnPSeVbYFM6KP0SW2SPGzJch7KAiLuaUvD4hpSWSHek/edit?usp=sharing).
Good stuff. Is there much difference in average scores if you use only those of thee and me?
Can be interesting to see how others view things, so here is Keith Collantine's (of racefans fame) version of events at the mid-season point (no scores given, just a position):
1. Lewis Hamilton - Baffling for me to understand this.
2. Fernando Alonso
3. Sebastian Vettel
4. Daniel Ricciardo
5. Valerie Bottas - Better than Leclerc... really?
6. Max Verstappen - Generous given how many awful weekends he had early on.
7. Charles (It is I) Leclerc
8. Pierre Gasly
9. Esteban Ocon
10. Nico Hulkenberg - Long way down.
11. Kevin Magnussen
12. Sergio Perez
13. Carlos Sainz
14. Kimi Raikkonen - This one is just nuts.
15. Toffee Van Door
16. Baby Stroller
17. J. R. Hartley
18. Sergey Sirotkin
19. Chrill's mate Marcus - Kind of harsh.
20. Romain Grosjean
Quote from: Penfold on August 29, 2018, 01:16:01 AM
Good stuff. Is there much difference in average scores if you use only those of thee and me?
Not really, since the calculated average is an actual average. If you rate someone 8, I do too, and Matt and M4A1 rate them 5, their average is likely to land over 7. This is due to us having more ratings. The ratings are not the average of our average ratings, but the actual ratings of all ratings combined.
Quote from: Penfold on August 29, 2018, 01:16:01 AM
1. Lewis Hamilton - Baffling for me to understand this.
2. Fernando Alonso
3. Sebastian Vettel
4. Daniel Ricciardo
5. Valerie Bottas - Better than Leclerc... really?
6. Max Verstappen - Generous given how many awful weekends he had early on.
7. Charles (It is I) Leclerc
8. Pierre Gasly
9. Esteban Ocon
10. Nico Hulkenberg - Long way down.
11. Kevin Magnussen
12. Sergio Perez
13. Carlos Sainz
14. Kimi Raikkonen - This one is just nuts.
15. Toffee Van Door
16. Baby Stroller
17. J. R. Hartley
18. Sergey Sirotkin
19. Chrill's mate Marcus - Kind of harsh.
20. Romain Grosjean
Some question marks arising here:
1) Lewis has not been nearly as strong as previous years. We probably rate him lower than fair, but a top 5 position is out of the question let alone P1
2) Verstappen outperforming drivers like Leclerc, Magnussen, Force India? Nah mate, Keith is drunk
3) Vandoorne better than Stroll, Sirotkin, Marky Mark and Grosjean? Nah, that ain't right.
4) Grosjean and Ericsson at the bottom? Based on what? Ericsson scored the first points of the year, and now 3 points finishes in 5 races. Sure, he has qualified worse than Leclerc but he definitely hasn't raced worse than him. Grosjean, whilst distanced by Magnussen for a long time, has been incredibly unlucky not to finish more races in the points. He definitely hasn't been the worst guy on the grid.
All in all, I think Keith is including his own personal opinion about the drivers. He never was a fan of Ericsson or Grosjean, was he, but he's been a big fan of Verstappen. Bashing Kimi is popular too, but to be fair Kimi has led something like 25 laps to Vettel's 200 laps so far this year. That is a big gap.
I'm sure we're all guilty of bias (no, it's not just you with Ericsson!) but as you say Keith seems to have blinkers on when it comes to certain drivers: Hamilton who has been lacklustre on many occasions this year and Max with his catalogue of mistakes sit 1st & 6th; whereas the solid race performances of Ericsson and Kimi (who, let us not forget, has lost out when used to support Vettel) earn them only a derisory placing. Christ, Kimi was 14 points ahead of Bottas in the Championship after Hungary and yet he's nine places below him in that list. And then there's Hulk... how is he below Max and Valerie? I can't make any sense of that one.
In fairness, our two bottom picks are the two Williams drivers. Surely they are rated where they are partially based upon the performance of the car. We're both guilty of bias.
Tricky to judge them without a yardstick, and I'm sure the car has been a nightmare to drive, but I still genuinely believe they've been the two worst drivers on the grid this year. Stroll was slow against Massa last year and Sirotkin seems to be on a similar level to Lance; so has Stroll improved this year meaning both he and Sirotkin are up at Massa's standard, or would Felipe be wiping the floor with the pair of them... I'm going with the latter. Oh yeah, I'm prepared to eat my words if Stroll can get close to Perez when the swap happens.
I see my main bias as giving Alonso juicy scores... but then he is awesome.
Alonso is awesome. Will miss him.
In regards to Perez-Stroll, well it won't happen for Italy anyway.
Hey (is for horses), it's time for Belgium:
Merc:
Hammy - 7 - Good qualifying and alright in the race, nothing more than that.
Val - 6 - Okay in race but a point off for hitting the Williams at turn one - he gets zero bonus points for all those DRS passes.
Ferrari:
Seb - 8 - Clearly the quickest car and a good (non-DRS) move on Hammy for the lead. Denied a nine because he didn't take pole.
Kimi - X - The final cog in Hulkenberg's chain of destruction.
Red Bull
The Pie Man - X - Cog number three.
Max - 7 - Managed to easily speed his underpowered Red Bull past the Force Indias (typically amongst the fastest cars in a straight line) because Charlie Whiting is a fucking idiot who doesn't actually watch F1 and believes that all people want to see is a constant stream of overtaking. Then Max just drove around by himself.
Force India/Stroll:
Perez - 9 - Superb qualifying and perfect in race. Couldn't fight with Max or Valerie because apparently that's not what F1 is about any more.
Ocon - 8 - Same as above but not quite as quick in the race.
Williams
Stroller - 5 - Okay.
Sirotkin - 6 - A tad faster than Stroll, which I suppose is some minor achievement.
Renault:
Sainz - 5 - Was he in the race?
Hulk - 0 - For such an experienced driver to make such a rookie error is amazing.
Toro Rosso:
Greasy Peril - 6 - Reasonably good for the Toro Rosso.
J.R. - 5 - More in the mediocre category.
Haas:
Big Jean - 8 - Good weekend for Haas and for Row Man.
Son of Magnus - 7 - Solid points.
McLaren:
Aslan - X - The first cog in Hulkenberg's chain of destruction.
Van Door - 4 - Slow....
Sauber:
Chrill's mate Marcus - 6 - Got a point.
'It is I' - X - Cog number two.
Must do my scores for Monza. Back later today (probably). Spoiler Alert: I'm going to give Hammy a 10/10 for his efforts.
Good idea!!
Mercedes:
Lewis Hamilton - 10/10 (Fuck this guy. P3, dominated two cars that was supposed to be faster. Brilliant, absolutely brilliant, and I hate it. He is currently much more deserving to win than Vettel)
Valtteri Bottas - 8/10 (Solid second-string to Hamilton, was key in halting Raikkonen's progress)
Ferrari:
Sebastian Vettel - 6/10 (Silly mistake saw him open room for Hamilton. Then tried to be aggressive but lost out himself. Decent recovery, but he put himself in a position to need to recover)
Kimi Raikkonen - 6/10 (Lacked the edge when needed. Couldn't build a gap to Hamilton, couldn't pass Bottas, couldn't keep his tyres alive, didn't defend desperately enough. Hamilton passed too easily)
Red Bull:
Daniel Ricciardo - 6/10 (I'm really not sure if he was in the race. Then he went kaboom. They blame clutch, not engine. I'm uncertain)
Max Verstappen - 7/10 (Inferior car, aggressive drive. Really 8/10, but deducting one for the silly clash with Bottman)
Force India:
Sergio Perez - 9/10 (Considering his poor qualifying, this was good. P7 from P14. Solid stuff)
Esteban Ocon - 8/10 (Ahead of his team mate but had a match easier journey to there, and in the end only just kept Perez at bay)
Williams:
Lance Stroll - 8/10 (Really happy to award Stroll a high score. Kept out of trouble, passed the right guys at the right time. Solid points scoring after reaching Q3!!)
Sergey Sirotkin - 7/10 (Started P12, finished P11, promoted to P10 when Grosjean got excluded. Yay points!)
Renault:
Carlos Sainz Jr - 7/10 (This car isn't fast in a straight line, but nobody told Sainz. P8 from 7th on the grid, kept himself from being lapped. Strong stuff, man)
Nico Hulkenberg - 4/10 (Started from the back and never really left the back. Enough said)
Toro Rosso:
Pierre Gasly - 5/10 (I don't know, he was shunted by Alonso or something yeah? P9 to P14, that's not good)
Brendon Hartley - X/10 (Can't get a lucky race in, can he?)
Haas:
Romain Grosjean - X/10 (I mean, his drive was good but I don't want to rate a disqualified kid)
Kevin Magnussen - 4/10 (Invisible. Like, I am positive he wasn't even in Italy during the race)
McLaren:
Fernando Alonso - X/10 (Retired too early, I can't recall how he did up until that point. Sorry)
Stoffel Vandoorne - 7/10 (Forced that McLaren past a Sauber and a Renault and a Toro Rosso. Decent, not too bad. It's still too slow)
Sauber:
Marcus Ericsson - 6/10 (Like most of his friends, invisible in the race. Touched Hartley, slightly broke his car, and never looked likely to do anything. I don't even know how he finished ahead of the Magnus)
Charles Leclerc - 7/10 (Considering the number of retirements ahead of him, not scoring a point here is bad. P11 isn't strong enough)
Definitely the Ham-man for Driver of the race.
As always, thumbs up for the comments!
Monza.
Merc:
Hammy - 10 - His best performance of 2018. Lovely little move on Vettel.
Val - 8 - Not at Hammy's level but great laps to keep Kimi back. Becoming a highly valuable no. 2 for Merc.
Ferrari:
Seb - 6 - Another first lap panic from Seb. Multiple cars jostling for position seems to cloud his judgement.
Kimi - 8 - Pole! Was able to keep Hammy behind in stint one, so Ferrari pitted him early for softs, a compound the team hadn't run all weekend, in the belief that these tyres would be good for a full 33 laps. They weren't, not even close.
Red Bull
The Pie Man - 5 - I don't know how to score him. Started from the back with all new engine bits; all new engine bits proceeded to fail after 23 laps.
Max - 7 - Good apart from hitting Bottas.
Force India/Stroll:
Perez - 8 - Great progression through the field, but should've insisted on another lap in Q1. I know this is the team's responsibility, but if I can look at the times and think "hmm, they better send Sergio out for a second run", then why the hell can't he?
Ocon - 8 - Better qualifying than Perez, not such an impressive race (but still good!).
Williams
Stroller - 8 - I suppose I'll agree with you and award an eight. Seems quite an unnatural act - not as bad as Morris dancing or voting Lib Dem, but strange nonetheless.
Sirotkin - 7 - The above sentences only with 'seven' replacing 'eight'.
Renault:
Sainz - 7 - More than I expected from a Renault at Monza.
Hulk - 5 - Less than I expected.
Toro Rosso:
Greasy Peril - 5 - Finished in a pretty lowly spot. I honestly have no idea what happened to him during the race, I'm not sure he even made an appearance on C4's highlights package.
J.R. - X - Taken out by Chrill's mate.
Haas:
Big Jean - 8 - Really strong weekend if you ignore the whole disqualification thing....
Son of Magnus - 3 - Awful.
McLaren:
Aslan - X - Car died.
Van Door - 6 - One of his better (i.e. less disappointing) showings.
Sauber:
Chrill's mate Marcus - 5 - Clipped Hartley, didn't see him at all after that.
'It is I' - 6 - Kind of unremarkable for the Ferrari man.
It's going to be a bad score for Perez this time round. Kind of wishing I could award him less than zero....
I'll get back to you with ratings. Sirotkin, despite finishing last, will likely get his highest score of the year.
Singapore.
Merc:
Hammy - 9 - One of his best ever qualifying laps. No mistakes in race but too comfortable to earn a ten.
Val - 5 - Miles off in quali., even further off in the race.
Ferrari:
Seb - 7 - Fluffed qualifying; good job to nip past Max on lap one but team sacrificed track position with an early stop (which brought him out behind Perez!) thereby costing him P2.
Kimi - 6 - Not a million miles behind Seb on Saturday or Sunday.
Red Bull
The Pie Man - 6 - A poor qualifying round here kills you.
Max - 9 - Like Hammy, put in a stellar single lap on Saturday; drove around the track at high speed & without incident on Sunday.
Force India/Stroll:
Perez - 0 - What is it people say: If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all.
Ocon - X - Unpleasant episode involving a second pink car and a wall.
Williams
Stroller - 7 - Clearly the slowest car of the weekend. Got ahead of team-mate early on and then kept going to earn a respectable P15.
Sirotkin - 7 - Tempted to give an eight when considering his stalwart defense against Perez, but he'd dropped behind Stroll & picked up a penalty for squeezing Hartley.
Renault:
Sainz - 8 - Seems about right.
Hulk - 7 - Suffered from starting on the hypers so decent job to come tenth.
Toro Rosso:
Greasy Peril - 6 - Car was slow, he was okay.
J.R. - 5 - Car was slow, he was just about okay.
Haas:
Big Jean - 5 - Quite slow on the hypers so came out behind everyone bar Hartley after pitting. Lack of pace then left him stuck behind Sirotkin after the Russian had pitted.
Son of Magnus - 3 - Awful.
McLaren:
Aslan - 9 - Best of the rest for the best of the best.
Van Door - 5 - Not his worst result but then Fernando managed P7, and he was eighth tenths quicker than the Door in Q1.
Sauber:
Chrill's mate Marcus - 7 - Head down and came out the other end in a solid eleventh.
'It is I' - 8 - Same as Marcus but just those crucial two places further up.
Mercedes:
Lewis Hamilton - 9/10 (Damnit. That qualifying lap was absurd. I hate it. He's the greatest driver this season, and is cementing his place among the absolute all time great. Senna, Prost, Fangio, Schumacher, Hamilton. He fits easily)
Valtteri Bottas - 5/10 (You cannot, must not, should not, finish a minute behind your team mate. Poor. So poor. Shamefully poor)
Ferrari:
Sebastian Vettel - 7/10 (Great in the start, taking Verstappen. Then, a poor strategy left him managing his tyres and being absolutely unable to attack Verstappen. Nursed it home)
Kimi Raikkonen - 5/10 (Stuck behind Bottas all race but never looking able to challenge him. 5/10 is probably harsh, but in the end he didn't get that all-important pass he needed)
Red Bull:
Daniel Ricciardo - 6/10 (Definitely fast enough to match Verstappen, but stuck behind the Bott-train)
Max Verstappen - 9/10 (Mature to back down when Lewis had a messy moment lapping cars, finally drove like an experienced guy)
Force India:
Sergio Perez - 4/10 (Crashed Ocon, almost on purpose, then went banana bread behind Sirotkin. At least he made the race more interesting)
Esteban Ocon - X/10 (Good start, but a bad end to the start)
Williams:
Lance Stroll - 6/10 (Perhaps he was only invisible due to his team mate behaving, but this was unspectacular)
Sergey Sirotkin - 8/10 (He finished last. He gets 9 points. He shunted Hartley off the track. He gets 8 points. What? Well, you know, he fought really hard and really well on battered tyres. Impressive controlled racecraft)
Renault:
Carlos Sainz Jr - 8/10 (Good track for Renault, and he put it to good use. Still, a lap down on the at first slow moving Hamilton)
Nico Hulkenberg - 6/10 (Really should have jumped Leclerc considering the Sauber strategy, but just didn't)
Toro Rosso:
Pierre Gasly - 5/10 (Not a spectacular performance, was it? Barely saw him down there in the pack behind Sir Otkin)
Brendon Hartley - 5/10 (Like Pierre but also shunted off track at one point, just barely coming to a halt)
Haas:
Romain Grosjean - 4/10 (Had to pit crazy early and then watched Perez dance with Sir Otto for half a race)
Kevin Magnussen - 4/10 (Can't even remember him. Like, something happened right? 2 laps down? That's not fun. I do not remember)
McLaren:
Fernando Alonso - 9/10 (Fernando does what Fernando does)
Stoffel Vandoorne - 5/10 (Stoffel does what Fernando doesn't)
Sauber:
Marcus Ericsson - 6/10 (Considering a decent quali position, P11 was somewhat mediocre. Was left out on old tyres too long in the hopes of earning a Safety Car pit stop. Would easily have elevated him to best of the rest)
Charles Leclerc - 7/10 (Like Ericsson but faster)
I see you were feeling generous towards Perez!
Like I said, he made it interesting ;D
Nippon.
Mercedes:
Lewis Hamilton - 8/10 (This is getting boring. He's too good)
Valtteri Bottas - 7/10 (Clean, slightly behind Lewis but not too far. Decent. Mercedes could easily have raced way harder than they did)
Ferrari:
Sebastian Vettel - 6/10 (Overly eager, but then again he had to be. Starting P9, he was P4 within a lap. Mighty. Then a desperate move on Verstappen failed, fair enough, and he fought back to P6)
Kimi Raikkonen - 5/10 (Quite poor, wasn't it? Lost out to both Red Bull cars somehow)
Red Bull:
Daniel Ricciardo - 9/10 (That's what we in Sweden call "oj vilket race". That means "Wow what a race". Start at P15? No problem)
Max Verstappen - 7/10 (Was pushing Bottas hard at the end but realistically didn't have a chance to overtake. Messy with Raikkonen gives -1, messy with Vettel gives no score change because I can't blame either driver there)
Force India:
Sergio Perez - 8/10 (Best of the rest. That's good, no?)
Esteban Ocon - 6/10 (Third best of the rest. Was pushing Grosjean hard but could not squeeze past. Decent race, but should have salvaged more)
Williams:
Lance Stroll - 5/10 (Decent qualifying, but yeah no he doesn't have it over an entire race. Dead last from P14 on grid. Not good enough)
Sergey Sirotkin - 6/10 (Beat his Stroller. That's all we can say about him)
Renault:
Carlos Sainz Jr - 7/10 (We saw that the Renault was too slow here, so scoring even one point is strong of Carlos)
Nico Hulkenberg - 6/10 (Wasn't matching Sainz. Then retired)
Toro Rosso:
Pierre Gasly - 6/10 (A poor strategy moved him from P7 on the grid down behind a lot of cars. Managed, after a long time, to overtake Ericsson. By then, points were not on the table)
Brendon Hartley - 5/10 (Like Gasly, but failed to overtake Ericsson)
Haas:
Romain Grosjean - 7/10 (Exited the pits just ahead of Perez-Leclerc, lucky boy, but in the end Perez finished ahead of him. Since Perez got 8, well that's a 7 for RoGro then)
Kevin Magnussen - 2/10 (Absurd driving when Leclerc was passing. Left his defensive move so late that the stewards deemed it "not a reaction", which means he basically turned into Leclerc. Bollocks move, should be a heavy penalty because he was driving dangerously)
McLaren:
Fernando Alonso - 6/10 (I feel like his heart wasn't in it here. Beaten by the Toro Rossos at a track where he shouted "GP2 engine!" is no fun)
Stoffel Vandoorne - 6/10 (Actually hounded his own team mate for a bit. Fair enough)
Sauber:
Marcus Ericsson - 7/10 (Great recovery from P20, my driver of the day except for.. yeah... the uh... touching his team mate on the restart. Deducting 2 points for that, but he held on to those mediums the entire race and kept Hartley and Alonso behind him to the flag)
Charles Leclerc - 6/10 (A messy race sent him to the back of the grid where he ended up crashing out, possibly due to a mechanical issue)
Driver of the day? I mean, I'd be tempted to give it to Hamilton because he was the best. Still, it might just be Ricciardo.
Clearly we forgot Russia. Oh well. It wasn't spectacular.
I have already forgotten the race.
Japan scores soon....
Japan scores right now:
Merc:
Hammy - 8 - The Merc's pace moved a chunk ahead of Ferrari's at Singapore and this remains the case, all a bit too easy for Lewis.
Val - 6 - An expert at playing second fiddle.
Ferrari:
Seb - 5 - Fluffed qualifying (not helped by Ferrari tyre strategy); great job on lap one but should've waited for DRS activation rather than lunging at Max - especially with Red Bulls always being so late on their brakes.
Kimi - 6 - Fluffed qualifying (though not quite so badly as Seb); car damaged when hit by Max at the chicane.
Red Bull
The Pie Man - 9 - Superb recovery drive.
Max - 6 - Great drive but money (points) off for hitting Kimi and then blaming it on Kimi; clearly Max doesn't believe it's his responsibility to rejoin the track in a safe manner.
Force India/Stroll:
Perez - 7 - Nifty drive and helpful points for whatever this team is currently called.
Ocon - 6 - Silly mistake meant a three-place grid drop, not surprisingly finished behind Sergio.
Williams
Stroller - 4 - Point off for failing to notice Alonso and then forcing him off the track. Frankly, he's lucky to score any points after barging my man Fernando.
Sirotkin - 6 - Beat Stroll and didn't hit Alonso.
Renault:
Rally Guy's Son - 7 - Slow car (clearly they gave up on 2018 some time back) but a good effort from Carlos.
Hulk - 5 - Poor. Was way behind Carlos and then they retired him, which must've been a blessed relief.
Toro Rosso:
Greasy Peril - 6 - Plain terrible at strategy some of these teams. Like Haas with Grosjean, Toro Rosso left its drivers out far too long for the first stint.
J.R. - 5 - Ditto for this guy.
Haas:
Big Jean - 7 - Should've been pitted a lap or two after Perez but instead circulated for five more laps during which he lost a huge chunk of time to the Mexican.
Son of Magnus - 2 - Good grief. Could he have left his defensive move any later?
McLaren:
Aslan - 7 - Plus one for keeping going after getting a penalty for 'gaining an advantage' after Stroll forced him off track and across the chicane.
Van Door - 5 - Okay.
Sauber:
Chrill's mate Marcus - 6 - Fine apart from one little mistake....
'It is I' - 5 - Okay.
Quote from: Penfold on October 10, 2018, 05:17:38 AM
McLaren:
Aslan - 7 - Plus one for keeping going after getting a penalty for 'gaining an advantage' after Stroll forced him off track and across the chicane.
I mean, the drivers were instructed to return via the escape road after the chicane, but Alonso floored it across the gravel like a lunatic. It was a fair penalty in my book.
According to Charlie Whiting, Alonso would've needed to give the place back to Stroll to avoid a penalty. That doesn't seem right to me.
Quote from: Penfold on October 10, 2018, 07:36:32 AM
According to Charlie Whiting, Alonso would've needed to give the place back to Stroll to avoid a penalty. That doesn't seem right to me.
I can't seem to find that quote. What I understood is that Alonso had to use the escape road, that is turn right instead of flooring it across the gravel.
Not to mention Alonso did it twice, I think it was with Gasly later on. He just doesn't care anymore. Still beat his teammate though.
EDIT: I did find this statement. I'll highlight the part you are probably referring to and the one I find is the most important part of this statement.
Whiting, though, has explained that while the stewards were aware that Stroll had pushed Alonso off the track, that didn't give him the right to cut the chicane and take a position off the Williams driver.
"The stewards felt that it was perfectly clear what Fernando did," he said.
"He cut the chicane, drove quickly across the gravel and came back on way in front. It was pretty clear that he had gained an advantage by leaving the track."
"The stewards felt that Stroll had actually forced Fernando off, so you could not say that because Fernando was forced off he was entitled to cut the chicane. He wasn't."
"He should not have taken a place by doing it but equally Stroll should not have pushed him off the track. So they felt each driver should get a five-second penalty for two separate offences."
Stroll was also penalised for his part in Alonso's off.
QuoteWhiting, though, has explained that while the stewards were aware that Stroll had pushed Alonso off the track, that didn't give him the right to cut the chicane and take a position off the Williams driver.
See, I simply disagree with Whiting on this one, if someone forces another driver off track in an illegal manner then they should lose that position. I'd also love to be able to ask Whiting what Alonso should've done if the contact between the two had caused Stroll to spin, should Fernando have still waited and let him back past?
On the other occasion, Alonso did slow and let Gasly (or was it Hartley?) regain his place.
Edit: What I should've said is that I don't agree with the rules on which the stewards based their decision; I don't doubt the penalty was correctly awarded under the current FIA strictures.
Document here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dnPSeVbYFM6KP0SW2SPGzJch7KAiLuaUvD4hpSWSHek/edit#gid=512518002)
I've added some scores from Japan. No big movers anymore, because the standings are starting to take solid form.
1. Alonso, 7.889
2. Vettel, 7.625
3. Leclerc, 7.361
4. Ricciardo, 7.303
5. Hamilton, 7.225
6. Raikkonen, 7.000
7. Bottas, 6.975
8. Sainz, 6.800 (up 1 place)
9. Perez, 6.775 (up 1 place)
10. Ocon, 6.765 (down 2 places)
Stroll is our worst ranked driver now, 5.256. Used to be Sirotkin, who is now just ahead with 5.273. Grosjean also stays ahead with 5.368.
Verstappen sits in 15th with 5.921.
A few recent low scores have pushed my Hulk rating a full point below yours, but him aside we're within 0.5 of each other and mostly closer than that - even-stevens for It is I!
Chance for Grosjean to overhaul Van Door and perhaps even Hartley by season end.
Indeed.
I'm surprised our Ericsson scores aren't more varied. I rate him .6 above you, natural considering my nationality, but it's not as significant as I'd anticipate. We rate Leclerc exactly the same, 7.286.
Re: Ericsson's score... I think you were about half a point more generous than me last year, so at least we're consistent. I did spot that despite the .6 difference we both have Marcus as 12th best of the year (so far). Not surprisingly, The Hulk enjoys the largest gap in our individual rankings: 7th place for you but a lowly joint 13th for me; also, I place Alonso in top spot but you have the cheek to stick him in equal third with Dan The Pie Man - Fernando left languishing below the two Championship contenders (well, Vettel isn't really in with a chance now, but it's just a concise way of saying which drivers you score higher than Alonso - or at least it is if you ignore this explanatory note).
Clearly forgot USA also, might return to rate Mexico. To be fair, this season bored me once Vettel messed up his chances of fighting for the championship coupled with losing our mediocre Swedish friend in Sauber. On to 2019, I guess.
Excitement has rather drained away.
Too bad for Kimi I didn't score USA as his performance was worthy of a ten.
I shall rate Mexico.
Mercedes:
Lewis Hamilton - 5/10 (World champion. Didn't look like it, finishing over a minute behind the top two)
Valtteri Bottas - 4/10 (Lapped by Verstappen. That's all we need to say)
Ferrari:
Sebastian Vettel - 8/10 (Definitely hounded Verstappen and Ricciardo well from his P4 slot)
Kimi Raikkonen - 6/10 (Had nothing to bring to the table on Vettel or Verstappen, but way ahead of the Mercedes lads)
Red Bull:
Daniel Ricciardo - 8/10 (Poor start, strong race, guaranteed retirement. Poor kid can't catch a break, and it keeps being the Renault engine messing it up. Is he regretting his 2019 decision?)
Max Verstappen - 10/10 (Nobody stood a chance against Verstapperinho. Domination)
Force India:
Sergio Perez - 5/10 (Poor racecraft helping Vettel overtake Ricciardo, then lost out to Leclerc in a nice battle, then retired. Didn't miss him)
Esteban Ocon - 6/10 (Starting P11, nice fresh suitable rubber, then boom goes the front wing. Rough race, no points for the laddy)
Williams:
Lance Stroll - 6/10 (P12 at the flag, P17 on the grid. Not too shabby, and beat his mate Sergey)
Sergey Sirotkin - 5/10 (Like Stroll but one step further down)
Renault:
Carlos Sainz Jr - X/10 (He retired halfway through the race so there'll be enough to go on, but I can't remember how his race went. He passed Raikkonen at the start, I remember that, but that's about it)
Nico Hulkenberg - 9/10 (Very strong race, easily best of the rest. Ran a long second stint and kept Leclerc away from him)
Toro Rosso:
Pierre Gasly - 7/10 (Started at the back of the grid, fought his way into the points thanks to Ricciardo's retirement. Still, decent race to P11 before getting stuck there)
Brendon Hartley - 6/10 (Ran right with his team mate, but a 5-second penalty which he deserved pushed him back a bit. Still, did have a pace similar to Gasly)
Haas:
Romain Grosjean - 3/10 (Absolute travesty of a weekend. Horrid, dead last by far)
Kevin Magnussen - 5/10 (Like his team mate but not as dead last. Still nowhere near able to challenge anyone on the grid)
McLaren:
Fernando Alonso - X/10 (Early retirement. Feels like he's had it)
Stoffel Vandoorne - 9/10 (Hah! After securing a Formula E seat, this was a damn good race. Ran a very long second stint, like most in the points did, to score a solid P8. Nice stuff)
Sauber:
Marcus Ericsson - 9/10 (His stint on ultras at the start was way too long because Sauber used him to push others back and assist Leclerc. Who cares, he scores two points anyway. Kept his tyres alive somehow)
Charles Leclerc - 9/10 (He finished ahead of Marcus, yet I rate his performance lower because of the tactics Marcus had to endure. He does get an extra point for his tussle with Perez which showed some mature racecraft belying his actual F1 experience)
Driver of the race? Verstappen, with a shoutout to Vandoorne.
I may still score Mexico if I can remember enough of the race; doesn't help that it was only shown as extended highlights and that they didn't finish until about one in the morning....
Also doesn't help you said that four days ago yet haven't returned to post actual ratings. ;D
Yeah, I think you can write off any chance of me scoring Mexico - as in the recent GP, rather than the country... not that I'm planning on giving Mexico the country a score out of ten.
Why would you not score countries out of ten? Let's rate countries we've visited 1-10.
Bernie decreed that countries be awarded either gold, silver, or bronze medals.
Well, we made it an entire season without having to suffer with replacement drivers. Spectactular. Let us rate Abu Dhabi and I can wrap this season's stats up nicely:
Mercedes:
Lewis Hamilton - 8/10 (Qualifying masterclass, and a simple cruise home. Looked a bit threatened by Vettel for a while, but kept it cool)
Valtteri Bottas - 5/10 (When your team mate wins, you cannot be the last guy among the top 3 teams. It is not permitted)
Ferrari:
Sebastian Vettel - 8/10 (Finally a clean race without any mistakes. That's an unusual one. He'll feel the pressure from Leclerc going into 2019 for sure)
Kimi Raikkonen - 6/10 (Retired in what is his final Ferrari race. Sauber next, excited to see this old man continue)
Red Bull:
Daniel Ricciardo - 7/10 (If you start ahead of your team mate and get a better start, you must not finish behind him. That final stint never came alive)
Max Verstappen - 8/10 (Poor start, but made up for it with a great and controlled drive. I hope he can carry this more mature attitude into 2019, but we all know he can't)
Force India:
Sergio Perez - 8/10 (Poor qualifying, but made up for it in the race. Nearly had Leclerc too)
Esteban Ocon - 5/10 (Had a scrappy race and battled mostly with mediocre McLarens and Haas cars before retiring)
Williams:
Lance Stroll - 7/10 (Not too bad, really. From the very back of the grid, he passed his team mate and Vandoorne to come home P13. Solid, albeit not great)
Sergey Sirotkin - 4/10 (He had nothing on Stroll, and quite frankly I think he just wanted this race to be over)
Renault:
Carlos Sainz Jr - 10/10 (What a race from the Spaniard. Finished within half a minute of Bottas, and had almost the same space to Leclerc behind him. Found himself in no man's land, better than the best of the rest. Wow)
Nico Hulkenberg - X/10 (Well, at least Grosjean didn't really cause it as such. The Hulk turned in. A bit clumsy, but he thought Grosjean had backed off)
Toro Rosso:
Pierre Gasly - 7/10 (Wasn't really game on for points, but even getting to P11/P12 is solid with a Honda at Abu Dhabi. We'll see how this young boy deals with the other young boy at the rather inexperienced Red Bull team in 2019)
Brendon Hartley - 6/10 (Decent but not amazing in what may well be his final F1 race. I'd quite like Toro Rosso to keep him for 2019 and give him a proper old chance. I think the second half of 2018 was far better than the first half, and he may yet develop into a decent F1 racer)
Haas:
Romain Grosjean - 8/10 (Broke his car when the Hulk tried to dance, then pitted early and kept his cool to score two points. Impressive)
Kevin Magnussen - 6/10 (Did not crash during the first lap, but did end up behind Grosjean. He should have finished ahead)
McLaren:
Fernando Alonso - 5/10 (Ended up not bothering with track limits, so I'll deduct 1 point for that rather immature behaviour. 6/10 otherwise. Seems willing to return to F1 in the future, so may not be the last we see of him)
Stoffel Vandoorne - 5/10 (I sort of hope this is the last we see of him. Qualified behind his team mate on 21 out of 21 race weekends this year. That says it all. Nobody has achieved that since Piquet in 2008 when he raced against... well, Alonso)
Sauber:
Marcus Ericsson - 5/10 (Like so many around him, this was not spectacular. And then he ground to a halt. Bummer. Looking forward to Indy in 2019)
Charles Leclerc - 8/10 (Showed once again why he's the Ferrari man in 2019, passing both Red Bulls and Kimi Raikkonen in the first few laps. Fell back to a less spectacular P7 in the end, but that was a great way to end his first season in F1)
I'll do the old Abu Dhabi dance (scores) tomorrow.
Welcome to tomorrow.
Abu Dhabi:
Merc:
Hammy - 8 - He won it... on Saturday afternoon.
Val - 4 - Fairly awful.
Ferrari:
Seb - 7 - No crashes and a decent enough drive.
Kimi - 6 - Not really enough laps to score properly, but it's the season finale so everyone gets a number!
Red Bull
The Pie Man - 7 - Pleasant surprise that his car didn't die.
Max - 7 - One point deduction for his diving overtake on Ocon - forcing the other guy into taking evasive action does not count as a clean pass.
Force India/Stroll:
Perez - 7 - Not sure what happened in qualifying, but a strong showing come race day.
Ocon - 5 - All got a bit messy.
Williams
Stroller - 6 - One of his better showings and another strong first lap.
Sirotkin - 3 - Won't be missed.
Renault:
Rally Guy's Son - 9 - Excellent. Fortunate to 'miss out' on reaching Q3, but took full advantage of tyre choice to bring it home in sixth.
Hulk - 3 - Locked up trying to pass Grosjean and then turned in on him, an amateur move for such an experienced guy.
Toro Rosso:
Greasy Peril - 6 - Going well enough until his Honda blew up.
J.R. - 5 - Also won't be missed, not that he's down at Sirotkin's level of talent, but has never shown anything to suggest he's F1 material.
Haas:
Big Jean - 7 - Early VSC pit-stop didn't do him any favours as time saved was more than lost in traffic.
Son of Magnus - 6 - He's just not as good as Romain.
McLaren:
Aslan - 5 - Track-cutting silliness. Still, I will miss him from F1....
Van Door - 4 - ... and I'll miss u(sing your Toffee Van Door moniker).
Sauber:
Chrill's mate Marcus - 6 - Doing all right until car death.
'It is I' - 8 - Like Grosjean, I feel his early stop was a net loss due to sitting in traffic (mostly behind Alonso) for a great many laps. Recovered for a quality seventh.
Yes, Rally Jr did well in his Renault here, did he not? I'll crunch the numbers tomorrow and we shall then crown the CHAMPION OF 2018!!! wowowowowow
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE HAVE A TABLE THAT I SINCERELY DISAGREE WITH BUT THAT'S BECAUSE WE SKIPPED RATINGS A LOT AT THE END. Still, here it is:
Pos Driver Rating Difference
1. Alonso 7.811 Leader
2. Vettel 7.619 +0.192
3. Leclerc 7.421 +0.390
4. Ricciardo 7.314 +0.497
5. Hamilton 7.190 +0.620
6. Raikkonen 6.946 +0.865
7. Sainz, Jr. 6.854 +0.957
8. Bottas 6.833 +0.978
9. Perez 6.738 +1.073
10. Ocon 6.694 +1.116
11. Gasly 6.667 +1.144
12. Ericsson 6.641 +1.170
13. Hulkenberg 6.632 +1.179
14. Magnussen 6.262 +1.549
15. Verstappen 6.050 +1.761
16. Hartley 5.694 +2.116
17. Vandoorne 5.634 +2.177
18. Grosjean 5.350 +2.461
19. Stroll 5.293 +2.518
20. Sirotkin 5.200 +2.611
We overrate what happened in the first half of the season and underrate the second half. Hamilton is my number one, Vettel is behind him for sure. Verstappen also did far better than what his P15 suggests. However, even if we exclude M4A1 and Matt, Penny and I would only rate him 14th anyway.
I also think Bottas is rated too high, and Gasly too low. Other than, I'm onboard with this.
Team mate gaps: (better driver on the left)
1. Fernando Alonso vs. Stoffel Vandoorne, 2.177
2. Daniel Ricciardo vs. Max Verstappen, 1.264
3. Pierre Gasly vs. Brendon Hartley, 0.972
4. Kevin Magnussen vs. Romain Grosjean, 0.912
5. Charles Leclerc vs. Marcus Ericsson, 0.780
6. Sebastian Vettel vs. Kimi Raikkonen, 0.673
7. Lewis Hamilton vs. Valtteri Bottas, 0.357
8. Carlos Sainz vs. Nico Hulkenberg, 0.222
9. Lance Stroll vs. Sergey Sirotkin, 0.092
10. Sergio Perez vs. Esteban Ocon, 0.044
In other words, Alonso and Ricciardo soundly beat their team mates but the Williams and Force India battles were very close.
Since Matt rated so few events, he is also the one who most often rated a driver the highest. He did so in 9/20 drivers. M4A1 rated highest 5 times, I did so on 3 occasions and Penfold only once (Grosjean, 5.824). Both Penfold and I rated Hamilton at 7.353 in the end.
The biggest ratings gap is Sirotkin. I rated him 5.500, Matt rated him 2.500. That gives a gap of 3.000.
The smallest ratings gap is Ricciardo. I rated him 7.467, Matt rated him 7.000. That gives a gap of 0.467.
When looking at compiled ratings (all our ratings added together), several drivers scored perfect weekends, that is a 10 from all of us.
Twice:
Alonso: Australia, Azerbaijan
Vettel: Bahrain, Great Britain
Gasly: Bahrain, Hungary
Ricciardo: China, Monaco
Verstappen: Australia, Mexico (somewhat assisted by me being the only one voting in Mexico)
Once:
Ericsson: Bahrain
Perez: Azerbaijan
Leclerc: Azerbaijan
Hulkenberg: Germany
Continuing with the compiled ratings, those who did not score a 10 at least got a compiled 9 in all cases except Bottas and Sirotkin, both of whom had 8/10 as their best compiled score. Bottas achieved 8 in China, Azerbaijan, Spain, Canada, Germany, Italy. Sirotkin did so in Monaco and Singapore.
The driver with fewest ratings this season (and perhaps then the unluckiest driver) is a tie between both Toro Rosso boys. Even excluding the 3 races nobody rated (Russia, USA, Brazil), they got a score of X/10 on three separate occasions, meaning their season total over 21 races is only calculated on their performance in 15 of the races.
The race with fewest drivers rated is Belgium, where 4 drivers (Raikkonen, Ricciardo, Alonso, Leclerc) ended up getting no score. This is in part because of Hulkenberg who crashed into them and scored 1/10 that weekend. Had it not been for that weekend, the Hulk would have finished the season above Sainz in our standings. :)
As always, the total document is here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dnPSeVbYFM6KP0SW2SPGzJch7KAiLuaUvD4hpSWSHek/edit?usp=sharing).
Yeah, we really screwed this one by getting lazy with the scoring. We missed some stonking efforts by Hammy and Max (plus one for Kimi!), and also some very mediocre showings by Vettel and Bottas.
My unofficial top ten:
1. 'It is I'
2. Hammy
3. Alonso
4. Vettel
5. Ricciardo
6. Max
7. Sainz
8. Perez
9. Ocon
10. Gasly
Cheers for all your tabulations this year; I shall have a more thorough perusal of the document tomorrow.
And my unofficial rankings of the year:
1. Hamilton
2. Alonso
3. Leclerc
4. Ricciardo
5. Vettel
6. Sainz
7. Raikkonen
8. Hulkenberg
9. Ocon
10. Verstappen
11. Ericsson
12. Gasly
13. Perez
14. Bottas
15. Magnussen
16. Hartley
17. Grosjean
18. Stroll
19. Vandoorne
20. Sirotkin
So that's an "I'll see your ten, and raise you ten more" kind of list. Fine. If that's the way you want it....
11. Kimi
12. Hulk
13. Valerie
14. Your Mate
15. Big Jean
16. Magnussen
17. JR Hartley
18. Sirotkin
19. Stroller
20. Van Door