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Title: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Chrill on July 03, 2020, 08:45:54 AM
With Austria underway, I have prepared a document for us to rate drivers this season! I'll have to add/remove races as we go on, and I'm not fully sure which abbreviation to use for the second race of a country (perhaps just AUT1 and AUT2), but here we are!

Link to doc: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fILMrPMu3i4eSzHIR_ZN7mJCZ9HZX9hsFf5HTSQpzTM/edit?usp=sharing


Template? Template!

Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 Team:
Lewis Hamilton - /10
Valtteri Bottas - /10

Scuderia Ferrari Mission Winnow:
Sebastian Vettel - /10
Charles Leclerc - /10

Aston Martin Red Bull Racing:
Alexander Albon - /10
Max Verstappen - /10

McLaren F1 Team:
Lando Norris - /10
Carlos Sainz Jr. - /10

Renault DP World F1 Team:
Daniel Ricciardo - /10
Esteban Ocon - /10

Scuderia AlphaTauri Honda:
Pierre Gasly - /10
Daniil Kvyat - /10

BWT Racing Point F1 Team:
Sergio Perez - /10
Lance Stroll - /10

Alfa Romeo Racing ORLEN:
Kimi Räikkönen - /10
Antonio Giovinazzi - /10

Haas F1 Team:
Romain Grosjean - /10
Kevin Magnussen - /10

Williams Racing:
Nicholas Latifi - /10
George Russell - /10


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Now, either let me know and I'll add you, or as soon as you post your first ratings I will include you.  :)
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Penfold on July 03, 2020, 09:22:08 AM
You know I'll do this.  Any opportunity to look an idiot and I'm there.

And yeah, AUT1 & AUT2 seems appropriate, at least for Austria.
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Chrill on July 03, 2020, 09:53:24 AM
Feel free to browse the document. I'm adding some touches, especially related to making new events easy to add. I've also revisited the flags and found some lovely circular ones. I've added a lot of potential race flags such as the EU, San Marino, and Portugal, but also outsiders like Luxembourg, Basque Country, Andorra, the Vatican, Turkey, etc. (they're all in the sheet called Data Sheet, which I'll hide when we get going)
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Penfold on July 04, 2020, 01:38:38 AM
All looking very smart, as I've come to expect.  Now just to wait impatiently for the racing to begin....
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Chrill on July 05, 2020, 09:35:09 AM
FINALLY I get to complain about the driving of some of the 20 greatest drivers alive. It's been a while, no?



Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 Team:
Lewis Hamilton - 7/10 (Disposed of Norris and Albon cleanly at the start, hunted Bottas down, forced to back off when the cars got gearbox sensor issues. At blame for Albon spinning yet again)
Valtteri Bottas - 9/10 (Kept his cool at no less than 3 SC restarts, and led from start to finish. Never really had to defend his lead though, which makes it 9 instead of 10)

Scuderia Ferrari Mission Winnow:
Sebastian Vettel - 3/10 (He's back, the man that spins. Wow. Out of 11 cars, he was 10th. And he wasn't even close to P9. 3/10 may be too generous)
Charles Leclerc - 10/10 (He really did what he could with this car, and he proved Ferrari right in their driver priorities. P3 on the road, P2 after Hamilton's penalty. Great overtaking when it mattered, really aggressive but well measured drive)

Aston Martin Red Bull Racing:
Alexander Albon - 9/10 (Made the absolute right tyre call for the end, pitting for hot softs. Easily would have passed Bottas if only he had survived Hamilton. Still waiting for that podium, but I don't think he'll wait for long)
Max Verstappen - 6/10 (Started P2, ran in P2 when the car died. Wasn't ready to attack Bottas yet, but the strategy would have come to him)

McLaren F1 Team:
Lando Norris - 10/10 (For his last 3 laps alone he deserves a 10. Kept Sainz behind, just, before barging past Perez and smacking Hamilton across the face with a fastest lap. In the end, he finished around 4.8 seconds behind Lewis which moved him up to the podium. Great stuff, and it was not gifted to him. No, it came thanks to a brilliant qualifying and a great race)
Carlos Sainz Jr. - 8/10 (The only reason he isn't on the podium instead of Norris is his starting position. Sainz made some overtakes, including on a lovely red little car)

Renault DP World F1 Team:
Daniel Ricciardo - 7/10 (The last on the grid with softs, he was in a difficult position. He kept Vettel at bay for a long time, but his car didn't like racing today)
Esteban Ocon - 5/10 (Not good enough, not at all. He scored decent points in a race of attrition, but he was far slower than his team mate. Needs to improve fast)

Scuderia AlphaTauri Honda:
Pierre Gasly - 7/10 (Decent race, but most importantly stayed away from issues. Finished behind Perez because he was unable to get within 5 seconds of the RP driver despite fresher tyres)
Daniil Kvyat - 4/10 (Was he even running in the points when his car gave up? I don't think he was. The AlphaTauri looks faster than what Kvyat made it look)

BWT Racing Point F1 Team:
Sergio Perez - 8/10 (Very impressive to keep his extremely old mediums alive all the way. Deducting one point for his silly speeding in the pit lane)
Lance Stroll - 6/10 (Didn't quite keep up with Perez today, but had decent pace I guess. DNFed, like most people did)

Alfa Romeo Racing ORLEN:
Kimi Räikkönen - 7/10 (Clearly the faster of the Alfa Romeos, but the car was just slow in itself. And even though wheels are heavy, dropping one don't make you faster)
Antonio Giovinazzi - 4/10 (Scored two points, did not deserve them. Outqualified Kimi, sure, but ran behind the Williams cars before they started DNFing)

Haas F1 Team:
Romain Grosjean - 6/10 (Looked OK, but no more. Then he lost the brakes, and well that's never good)
Kevin Magnussen - 7/10 (Looked pretty good, actually. And then he lost the brakes, and well that's never good)

Williams Racing:
Nicholas Latifi - 3/10 (Had higher hopes for Latifi since he was fairly good in F2, but this was worrying. A lot of spins, and a crash, even before qualifying. Come race day, well he finished, but dead last and nowhere near the limping Ferrari despite a late safety car)
George Russell - 8/10 (Looked on course for points for a while. This guy deserves a faster car. His problem is that both drivers at Mercedes deserve a fast car too)
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Penfold on July 08, 2020, 02:53:26 AM
Austria 1.

Merc:
Hammy - 8 - To my mind the Albon collision was a racing incident, so no points off.
Val - 9 - No alarms and no surprises.

Ferrari:
Seb - 3 - Idioteque.
'It is I' - 9 - Might be his best finish for some time....

Red Bull:
Blur - 8 - That's the risk of passing round the outside.
Max - X - Out too early.

McLaren:
Chuck Norris - 10 - Blistering performance.
Rally Guy's Son - 8

Renault:
Ricky Hairdo - 7
Ocon - 4

Boris Johnson (aka Alpha Tory):
Greasy Peril - 7
The Torpedo - 4

Received Pronunciation:
Perez - 8 - Team should've pitted him, he should've driven slower in the pitlane.
The Stroller - 6 - Reasonable.

Alfauber:
Kimi - 6
Adam Ant - 4

Haas:
Big Jean - 4 - Spun, warned about track limits multiple times, car died.
Son of Magnus - 6

Williams:
Latifi - 4 - One more retirement and this sluggish performance would've netted him a point... debut so being generous with the score.
Jack Russell - 8 - Only a tenth off making Q2.  Ran well and all those DNFs meant points were on the table, unfortunately he was also one of the retirees.


Shame Max dropped out but still plenty of action throughout the field, can't say I enjoyed the race that much but that's a separate issue.
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Chrill on July 08, 2020, 06:13:01 PM
Thank you! Numbers added to document, some various calculations edited, and now we've got ourselves a table.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fILMrPMu3i4eSzHIR_ZN7mJCZ9HZX9hsFf5HTSQpzTM/edit?usp=sharing

We agree that Norris deserves a 10. Really, we agree on most drivers. Except for Verstappen (whom you chose to award a blank due to early retirement), we agreed on 11/19 drivers, and only one driver was off by 2 points (Grosjean got 6 from me, 4 from you).

Matt, feel free to join us! :D

Also, I was bored so I produced a round Styria flag and a round 70th Anniversary GP flag. Lovely stuff.
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Penfold on July 09, 2020, 02:11:33 AM
I just thought 11 laps was a tad short to rate Maxy.  I was a bit iffy on whether to score Danny Boy, but he was so near to the quarter-distance mark (my unofficial cut-off point) that I figured a rating was due.

Poor Grosjean starting off 2020 with a four... I'd like to say the only way is up (even though it puts that annoying Yazz song in my head), but he could just as easily flatline at this level.
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Chrill on July 14, 2020, 04:40:52 AM
I will post ratings this evening. Please hold.
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Penfold on July 14, 2020, 05:57:30 AM
I will post ratings tomorrow (probably).
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Chrill on July 14, 2020, 12:26:53 PM
And I'm back, thank you very much for holding!

For the first and likely only time, here are my Styrian ratings.

Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 Team:
Lewis Hamilton - 9/10 (Like Bottas last weekend, win from pole and never really had to defend his position)
Valtteri Bottas - 8/10 (Solid. He struggled a bit with traffic at the start, but once free he easily caught up to Verstappen and forced the Dutchman to pit early. After some brave defending from Verstappen, Bottas found his way into P2)

Scuderia Ferrari Mission Winnow:
Sebastian Vettel - X/10 (Not a very long race)
Charles Leclerc - 2/10 (I really like Charles, but I pin this one on him. Tried to carry on, but could not)

Aston Martin Red Bull Racing:
Alexander Albon - 6/10 (Not nearly as fast as Verstappen this time around, even struggling at times to keep McLaren behind and only just kept Perez at bay)
Max Verstappen - 8/10 (A lot faster than Albon, but just unable to bring it to Mercedes with their current car and the damage he had picked up. Went for FL at the end, didn't make it)

McLaren F1 Team:
Lando Norris - 9/10 (Another brilliant performance from him, in the end being the only one who found his way past Perez. Finished in P5, but only 1.5 seconds ahead of the driver in P8)
Carlos Sainz Jr. - 7/10 (FL! Great! But he dropped off after starting up the front, suffering a poor pit stop which sent him behind the Racing Points and Ricciardo/Norris. Starting P3 and finishing P9 is hard to rate higher than 7)

Renault DP World F1 Team:
Daniel Ricciardo - 8/10 (Feisty! Punted off the track by Stroll, and lost out to both him and Norris. Still, a good race saw him finish ahead of a McLaren and scored some decent points)
Esteban Ocon - 7/10 (A bit difficult to rate. 6? 7? 8? He was fast but struggled to pass Sainz in the opening stages, before retiring with what I guess was a really hot car)

Scuderia AlphaTauri Honda:
Pierre Gasly - 5/10 (Silly strategy, that what is it right? He went for a two-stopper but the tyres could do one stop, so he dropped way back. Could not make up for it with raw pace, and finished far down)
Daniil Kvyat - 7/10 (The AlphaTauri car seems to be fairly OK, perhaps near the rear of the new 2nd tier midfield with Ferrari and Renault, and when others around him fell away he scored a point)

BWT Racing Point F1 Team:
Sergio Perez - 10/10 (I mean... P17 to P5? Great. Going for P4 against what should be the second fastest car? Awesome. Losing your front wing but still only dropping one place? Badass)
Lance Stroll - 8/10 (His racecraft is not on the level of Perez, he's too cautious and does not really know when to go for it. It showed, because even though he started five places ahead of Perez he finished behind. Still, he showed decent pace whenever the track was clear, and he did go battling with Ricciardo at the end which earned him a P7)

Alfa Romeo Racing ORLEN:
Kimi Räikkönen - 8/10 (Clearly the faster Alfa this weekend too. Nearly in the points with what appears to be a really bad car, despite dropping to the very back since two red cars in front of him got into trouble)
Antonio Giovinazzi - 5/10 (Didn't keep up with Kimi at all, although he ran ahead of the Finn for the first half of the race)

Haas F1 Team:
Romain Grosjean - 7/10 (Starting in the pit lane, he quickly caught up to his Häagen-Dazs-Haas friend. Battled it out with Kevin all race long)
Kevin Magnussen - 6/10 (Like RoGro, but started P15 and should perhaps have finished a bit closer to Kimi. Or in front of him, ideally)

Williams Racing:
Nicholas Latifi - 6/10 (Kept out of trouble again but finished dead last)
George Russell - 7/10 (Started in P11! Hot! Then he went off, and his car's race pace just doesn't allow him to beat others quite yet. He did beat Latifi. They're closer than in 2019, so we'll see. Points could come their way this season)
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Penfold on July 16, 2020, 02:51:19 AM
It's now officially tomorrow (providing you accept yesterday as being today) so here be my ratings/rantings.

Austria 2.

Merc:
Hammy - 9 - No alarms and no surprises.  Great qualifying lap.
Val - 7 - Poor qualifying, reasonable race pace.

Ferrari:
Seb - X - Race somewhat curtailed...
'It is I' - 2 - ... by this guy.  Oops.

Red Bull:
Blur - 5 - Quite slow.  More than 30 seconds off Max before the Dutchman's late pit stop for Speedy Gonzales tyres.
Max - 8 - Kept near(ish) to Hammy until one too many kerbs walloped meant a damaged front wing.

McLaren:
Chuck Norris - 8 - Great race performance, and I feel a little mean not awarding a 9, but silly error in practice and not so great quali. is why he had to fight so hard.
Rally Guy's Son - 8 - Super qualifying, race compromised by dodgy pit stop but also didn't seem to quite have Lando's pace.

Renault:
Ricky Hairdo - 7 - Started & finished in 8th, and that was with three guys he started behind having issues: Ocon retired, Gasly damaged his car, and Sainz endured a McLaren special in the pits.
Ocon - 7 - Faster than Dan on Saturday and he seemed at least his equal on Sunday.

Boris Johnson (aka Alpha Tory):
Greasy Peril - 6 - Picked up floor damage early doors and then team stuck him on a set of hards.  Christ knows why.
The Torpedo - 6 - Middling.

Received Pronunciation:
Perez - 9 - Charged it through the field but should not have been starting so far back.
The Stroller - 7 - Car was tremendous in the dry, with the pace to beat Albon, so not terrific to end the race battling with a Renault having been overtaken by a McLaren and a team mate who started in 17th. 

Alfauber:
Kimi - 8 - So much better than the car.
Adam Ant - 5 - About right for the car.

Haas:
Big Jean - 7
Son of Magnus - 6

Williams:
Latifi - 6
Jack Russell - 7 - Plus one for tremendous effort in qualifying, minus one for going off the track on Sunday.
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Chrill on July 16, 2020, 03:17:02 AM
Thank you!

Drivers:
Biggest climber:
Lewis Hamilton (P8 -> P4)

Biggest drop:
Charles Leclerc (P2 -> P9)

Teams:
Biggest climber:
Renault (P5 -> P7)
Alfa Romeo (P10 -> P8)

Biggest drop:
Ferrari (P5 -> P10)




The biggest difference in our ratings is just the single point, which applies to:
Max Verstappen (Chrill: 7.0, Penfold: 8.0)
Alexander Albon (Chrill: 7.5, Penfold: 6.5)
Romain Grosjean (Chrill: 6.5, Penfold: 5.5)

The smallest difference in our ratings is 0, which applies to:
George Russell (7.5)
Antonio Giovinazzi (4.5)
Sebastian Vettel (3.5)

All this and more:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fILMrPMu3i4eSzHIR_ZN7mJCZ9HZX9hsFf5HTSQpzTM/edit?usp=sharing
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Chrill on July 20, 2020, 04:57:25 AM
Welcome! It's time for yet another round of... RATE. THOSE. DRIVERS!! (imagine this in a Ty Pennington voice)

Hungary

Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 Team:
Lewis Hamilton - 10/10 (I don't like giving 10/10 to drivers who win from pole unchallenged because they never had to defend or overtake. Still, this was just a masterclass. Had a pit stop on everyone, lapped all but four other drivers. Wow)
Valtteri Bottas - 6/10 (Silly mistake on the start, reacting to a light in the car rather than those five lights above the car. Fought back but lacked those final 2% needed to find his way back into P2)

Scuderia Ferrari Mission Winnow:
Sebastian Vettel - 8/10 (Looking at the Ferrari, P6 is the best they can do. Clean race, but he was still lapped. A Ferrari lapped, rated 8. That's unheard of!)
Charles Leclerc - 4/10 (Another bad race. Poor getaway, worse strategy call, in the end literally not fast enough for points)

Aston Martin Red Bull Racing:
Alexander Albon - 5/10 (A full minute behind his own team mate? Yup, not good enough)
Max Verstappen - 9/10 (His car clearly isn't fast enough to challenge Mercedes. Still kept one behind him though. Nice)

McLaren F1 Team:
Lando Norris - 5/10 (Race to forget. Got caught out in the opening shuffle for dry tyres, and never found his way back)
Carlos Sainz Jr. - 7/10 (Like Lando but did find his way back)

Renault DP World F1 Team:
Daniel Ricciardo - 8/10 (Pretty decent race. Clearly slower than cars around him such as McLaren and Racing Point, but held on to score some decent points)
Esteban Ocon - 4/10 (Keeps proving he does not have what it takes to match Ricciardo just yet. How long can we put it down to a year on the sidelines?)

Scuderia AlphaTauri Honda:
Pierre Gasly - X/10 (Well, my 3rd driver pick of the week. Of course he wasn't supposed to finish)
Daniil Kvyat - 6/10 (Perhaps the most anonymous race in his career. I am honestly not sure he was actually in Hungary for this race)

BWT Racing Point F1 Team:
Sergio Perez - 5/10 (4th to 7th? That's just not good enough. Poor race start, and did not quite seem to have the speed shown on Saturday)
Lance Stroll - 8/10 (Now this is what Stroll needed. He beat Perez in quali, and was only kept away from a podium thanks to the excellent drive Verstappen put in. He'll be in the top 3 sometime soon)

Alfa Romeo Racing ORLEN:
Kimi Räikkönen - 8/10 (Started last on pure merit, but ended up ahead of several drivers included one clever Frenchman who pitted for slicks and ran P4 for a bit!)
Antonio Giovinazzi - 6/10 (Only beat the Williams cars, who lack race pace, but was not THAT far off his great-grandfather team mate)

Haas F1 Team:
Romain Grosjean - 6/10 (Clever strategy, but in the end he pretty much finished where he started. Could not make it last as well as...)
Kevin Magnussen - 9/10 (...as this guy! Temped to go for a 10, but would probably have had to hold on to 1 or 2 more positions. Demoted to P10 for being told to pit during the formation lap, but I'll count this is as a P9 because that's the dumbest rule I've heard)

Williams Racing:
Nicholas Latifi - 2/10 (By far his worst race. FOUR LAPS BEHIND HIS TEAM MATE! Spun a couple of times, got sent out when Sainz was in the fast lane in the pits. Just an altogether horrible race. Latifi has spun every weekend)
George Russell - 6/10 (Great qualifying once more, poor race once more. The Williams car seems to have unlocked some decent one-lap pace but is unable to keep it together on the Sunday)
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Chrill on July 24, 2020, 08:19:03 AM
You're already falling behind, Penfold!

And with all these new races coming in, I may just have to add a few columns. That's slightly cumbersome.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fILMrPMu3i4eSzHIR_ZN7mJCZ9HZX9hsFf5HTSQpzTM/edit?usp=sharing
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Penfold on July 24, 2020, 08:43:56 AM
Just taking advantage of the pause before Silverstone.  I'll get them done fairly soon - I have to or else the race will fade from my memory....
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Penfold on July 28, 2020, 01:13:58 AM
Hungary.

Merc:
Hammy - 9 - I don't like giving 10/10 to drivers who win from pole unchallenged because they never had to defend or overtake.
Val - 6

Ferrari:
Seb - 8
'It is I' - 4

Red Bull:
Blur - 4 - Really quite slow.  Almost 70 seconds off Max.
Max - 9

McLaren:
Chuck Norris - 4 - Terrible first lap ruined his race.
Rally Guy's Son - 8

Renault:
Ricky Hairdo - 8
Ocon - 4

Boris Johnson (aka Alpha Tory):
Greasy Peril - X
The Torpedo - 5 - Middling.

Received Pronunciation:
Perez - 4 - Tremendous backwards progress through the field.
The Stroller - 8 - Did Sergio & Lance swap helmets in Hungary?

Alfauber:
Kimi - 7
Adam Ant - 5

Haas:
Big Jean - 5
Son of Magnus - 8

Williams:
Latifi - 2 - What the hell was that?
Jack Russell - 7

Edited for reasons of stupidity....
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Chrill on July 28, 2020, 02:25:26 AM
Are you sure you got your Haas ratings in the right order? K-Mag scored points, and you gave him 5. Grosjean finished 16th, and he got 8.

Not saying you're not allowed to rate them like this, it's just not what I expected. ;D
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Penfold on July 28, 2020, 02:43:04 AM
Well spotted.  T'other way round they should be.
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Chrill on August 03, 2020, 04:53:14 AM
Silverstone, take 1. Thank you, Racing Point, for ensuring I don't have to add the Hulk quite yet.

Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 Team:
Lewis Hamilton - 8/10 (Couldn't quite shake his team mate, and couldn't quite make his tyres last. Still, a win is a win is a win, even if on three wheels)
Valtteri Bottas - 7/10 (Pretty much just as fast as Hamilton. His tyres went 90 seconds before Hamilton's and they had done the same distance. Didn't quite have the speed to get within DRS range, but he was close to the Lewis)

Scuderia Ferrari Mission Winnow:
Sebastian Vettel - 3/10 (What a miserable weekend altogether. Barely ran on Friday, only just through to Q3 before starting 10th. From there, moved absolutely nowhere despite two late punctures)
Charles Leclerc - 9/10 (The Ferrari is draggy, so let's remove some wings, right? Heck, it actually worked. Despite the lack of downforce, Leclerc kept it clean and kept his tyres alive. Impressive podium, but even without the late craze he would have been a solid P4)

Aston Martin Red Bull Racing:
Alexander Albon - 6/10 (A poor race, but I don't blame him for coming together with Magnussen. What an unfortunate strategy he ended up running, out of sync with the SCs saw him relegated to the very bottom)
Max Verstappen - 9/10 (I don't think we can ask any more of the Red Bull car right now. Without the punctures, he was P3. He wasn't that far off, and he easily kept Leclerc behind. Pitted for fresh rubber at the end, perhaps he too would have suffered like the others had he not)

McLaren F1 Team:
Lando Norris - 7/10 (Started ahead of his team mate, got slightly caught out in the start. Then he fought back nicely, and I think we can be happy with this)
Carlos Sainz Jr. - 8/10 (Found his way past Norris at the start, and was a little bit faster throughout the race. Poor guy lost his tyres and lost a good amount of points in the process)

Renault DP World F1 Team:
Daniel Ricciardo - 8/10 (P4 in a Renault? Awesome! Just 8/10? Yeah, because two drivers ahead pretty much DNFed at the end. P6 in a Renault? Pretty damn good, so 8/10)
Esteban Ocon - 7/10 (Finally a decent result. Started right behind Ricciardo and pretty much kept him company. Slipped slightly, with Norris finding his way inbetween the two)

Scuderia AlphaTauri Honda:
Pierre Gasly - 8/10 (Good result, including passing Vettel aggressively but nicely. Well done)
Daniil Kvyat - X/10 (I'm not sure where he was running when crashing, but the many SCs made sure he ran few laps before his DNF so no rating)

BWT Racing Point F1 Team:
Sergio Perez or Nico Hülkenberg or whatever - X/10 (Did not participate, did not start. Whatever, Racing Point only ran one car here)
Lance Stroll - 4/10 (Disappointed. Looked the second fastest car here, and should have been at least P4. Instead, he dropped places despite the late punctures for others in front of him. Would have failed to score points had Sainz+Bottas finished ahead of him)

Alfa Romeo Racing ORLEN:
Kimi Räikkönen - 4/10 (Could not keep the hards alive at all, dropped behind everyone before the car broke up entirely)
Antonio Giovinazzi - 6/10 (Slightly better than the old Finn, but not good enough)

Haas F1 Team:
Romain Grosjean - 7/10 (Hard to rate! I was very impressed by his pace on mediums when everyone pitted, but it shuffled him down the order when he had to take a full-speed pit stop. Could not get past anyone after that)
Kevin Magnussen - X/10 (Oops)

Williams Racing:
Nicholas Latifi - 7/10 (Still not a great race, my friend, but at least he was in the mix with the Haases and Alfas, and not far behind his team mate at all
George Russell - 8/10 (Williams have reached Q2 a lot this year, but always failed to match the race pace of Alfa and Haas. Not a problem for Russell, who actually was legitimately chasing Vettel for a while before dropping off near the end)
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Penfold on August 03, 2020, 06:42:45 AM
Any points off Grosjean for his late moves against Ricciardo and Sainz?
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Chrill on August 03, 2020, 07:38:37 AM
Well, I'd like to deduct for that because I dislike it (Especially on Sainz, but the one on Ricciardo was bad too) but since F1 chose the silly "warning", I deduct .5 points. And rounding up, that's still 7 :D )
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Penfold on August 03, 2020, 08:52:29 AM
Whereas my default deduction for such an infringement is .55 points, and unfortunately for Grosjean scores are always rounded to the nearest whole number....
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Chrill on August 03, 2020, 01:31:22 PM
Quote from: Penfold on August 03, 2020, 08:52:29 AM
Whereas my default deduction for such an infringement is .55 points, and unfortunately for Grosjean scores are always rounded to the nearest whole number....
For his sake, let's hope your original score, pre-deduction, is X.1 instead of an integer.
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Penfold on August 06, 2020, 01:56:50 AM
Silverstone 1.

Merc:
Hammy - 8 - Fast enough for pole.
Val - 7 - Fast enough for second.

Ferrari:
Seb - 3 - Slow enough for 10th.
'It is I' - 8 - Surely a better result than Ferrari expected.

Red Bull:
Blur - 5 - Keeps going for gaps that exist only if the other guy takes evasive action.
Max - 9 - Stayed impressively close to the Mercs.

McLaren:
Chuck Norris - 8 - Lost out at start to Sainz but was quicker towards end of race - seemed to keep more life in his tyres.
Rally Guy's Son - 8 - Unfortunate ending to an otherwise strong race.

Renault:
Ricky Hairdo - 8 - Fortunate ending to a strong race.
Ocon - 7 - Getting back into the swing of things.

Boris Johnson (aka Alpha Tory):
Greasy Peril - 9 - Good on Saturday, better on Sunday.
The Torpedo - X - Tyre failure.

Received Pronunciation:
Perez/Hulk - X - Engine failure.
The Stroller - 4 - Safety car didn't do him any favours (lost the advantage of qualifying on mediums), but was oddly slow later in the race.

Alfauber:
Kimi - 4 - Marginally outqualified and then beaten in race by the next guy down.
Adam Ant - 5 - Marginally outqualified and outraced the previous chap.

Haas:
Big Jean - 6 - Scored a 7.049 but then deductions for dodgy defensive driving (DDD) kicked in.
Son of Magnus - X - Taken out by Alexander "I see a gap" Albon.

Williams:
Latifi - 6 - Close to Russell in race but deducted one point for being a full second slower than him in Q1.
Jack Russell - 8 - A mere ten seconds back from Vettel - not sure who that says more about....
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Chrill on August 09, 2020, 02:49:18 PM
Awesome, I'll do my Silverstone 2 ratings in a bit, let's just look at the stats after Silverstone 1:

Several drivers jumped up two places, Russell P9 --> P7 for example.

The biggest drop was Vettel, who after Hungary was rated 15th and after Silverstone 1 was rated 19th.

Our greatest disagreement is Albon and Grosjean (I rate both at 6.5, you rate both at 5.5).

We both rate Hamilton 8.5, Vettel 4.67, Latifi 4.5.

I am more generous in my ratings for 13 of the drivers, you are more generous for 4.
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Chrill on August 09, 2020, 03:02:45 PM
Ugh, so with Silverstone 2 I finally have to squeeze Hulkenberg into the document. Ok then, I'll do it someday.

Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 Team:
Lewis Hamilton - 8/10 (His driving was 6/10 at best up until the final stint. That one boosted him with +2)
Valtteri Bottas - 7/10 (Shame. Looked like he had this one, Hamilton could not get to him. Then both Hamilton and Verstappen did. Huh)

Scuderia Ferrari Mission Winnow:
Sebastian Vettel - 2/10 (OK, come on now. You fail to reach Q3 which was expected, then you just sort of spin on your own. Despite running more downforce than Leclerc? Horrid. I get it, this car does not suit you, but this is embarrassing for any F1 driver let alone a FOUR TIME world champion)
Charles Leclerc - 9/10 (P3 last weekend, P4 now. Still, what a race. The only one to make a 1-stopper work properly. Others did do one stop, but they didn't score points)

Aston Martin Red Bull Racing:
Alexander Albon - 8/10 (Great race! Stuck in the middle, pitted first of everyone and was therefore dead last. In the end, he found his way past the Racing Points to score P5. Good, Albon!)
Max Verstappen - 10/10 (Well... The Red Bull should not have been fast enough. It was just incredibly kind on the tyres here. Well done, Maximus. Great drive)

McLaren F1 Team:
Lando Norris - 7/10 (I'm not sure he was in the race, but the race report in front of me claims he finished 9th after starting 10th. I guess that's a good performance!)
Carlos Sainz Jr. - 5/10 (He was in the race! I know that, I saw him once or twice. He wasn't really near the points, just stuck in traffic all the time. Not good enough)

Renault DP World F1 Team:
Daniel Ricciardo - 6/10 (Welp! Forced to 3-stop since he spun on fresh hards. That dropped him from a very solid battle for sixth down to a non-points scoring position)
Esteban Ocon - 8/10 (Perhaps not really better than Ricciardo, but well he did not spin so definitely better. Solid points, for the second week running. Good!)

Scuderia AlphaTauri Honda:
Pierre Gasly - 6/10 (Did not have the pace he had last weekend, and ended up outside the points)
Daniil Kvyat - 8/10 (Started 16th, and scored the final point ahead of Gasly. Did not expect him to beat the Frenchman in this race)

BWT Racing Point F1 Team:
Nico Hülkenberg - 7/10 (That was solidly reliable. P3 on the grid, P4 after one lap, then could not manage his tyres well enough and was forced to 3-stop due to heavy blisters on the rears. Hulk can't blame his lack of knowledge of these Pirellis, they're the same as in 2019!)
Lance Stroll - 7/10 (Wasn't quite able to beat Hulkenberg on pace, but then again he managed his tyres better. I guess a tie for these two is fair)

Alfa Romeo Racing ORLEN:
Kimi Räikkönen - 8/10 (Considering how shit this car is in Q, finishing ahead of others is always strong. In this race, he finished ahead of five or so guys on a one-stopper. Good!)
Antonio Giovinazzi - 6/10 (Like Kimi, but ahead of fewer cars and not one-stopping. So not like Kimi, really)

Haas F1 Team:
Romain Grosjean - 6/10 (I don't really know how he did, the midfield was so busy I couldn't much keep my eye on the rear. He started 13th, finished 16th. That's not great, right?)
Kevin Magnussen - 6/10 (Literally retired after a lack of tyres. Planned to two-stop, but his final hard tyres blistered and he only had softs left. Didn't bother with them)

Williams Racing:
Nicholas Latifi - 6/10 (Decent race, nothing more nothing less)
George Russell - 6/10 (Decent race, nothing more nothing less)




Also, I did sort out Hülkenberg in the document. I did it a bit differently to when Albon was promoted last year, I think this is a bit cleaner. A very light red background with text N/A over the driver pairings that did not exist at a specific race (so Hulk-Stroll up until Silverstone 1):

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fILMrPMu3i4eSzHIR_ZN7mJCZ9HZX9hsFf5HTSQpzTM/edit?usp=sharing
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Penfold on August 12, 2020, 02:25:11 AM
Silverstone 2.

Merc:
Hammy - 7 - Nice of Merc to use Bottas as a tyre guinea pig and adjust Hamilton's strategy accordingly.
Val - 7 - And that's with a +1 for grabbing pole.

Ferrari:
Seb - 2 - Good grief.
'It is I' - 9 - Tempted to award a 10, but I'm just not that generous.

Red Bull:
Blur - 7 - Don't get me wrong, it was a good drive, but he shouldn't have been starting in 9th.
Max - 10 - Great for him and great for us to have a different winner.

McLaren:
Chuck Norris - 7
Rally Guy's Son - 5

Renault:
Ricky Hairdo - 5
Ocon - 7

Boris Johnson (aka Alpha Tory):
Greasy Peril - 6 - Team screwed him by mirroring Albon's pit-stop.
The Torpedo - 7

Received Pronunciation:
Hulk - 7
The Stroller - 7

Alfauber:
Kimi - 7 -
Adam Ant - 5

Haas:
Big Jean - 6 - No idea.  You find it hard to keep track of these guys... imagine doing it from only highlights!
Son of Magnus -  6

Williams:
Latifi - 6
Jack Russell - 6
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Chrill on August 12, 2020, 05:24:51 AM
Thank you!

The stats are updated. We got a big surprise here. The biggest climber after Silverstone 2? Perez. Yes, the Perez not racing. Several drivers dropped below him thanks to less than stellar performances.

Now, how did this happen? Well, Perez averages 7.333 this year. The following drivers dropped below him at Silverstone 2:

Valtteri Bottas: 7.333 --> 7.300
Daniel Ricciardo: 7.444 --> 7.200
Carlos Sainz Jr: 7.444 --> 7.200

So you see, their losses are small but enough to bump Perez up to 4th!

In other news, the Hülk goes straight to P9 after two 7s. This drops Vettel to a historically low P21 in our standings.

Best climber:
Sergio Pérez (P7 -> P4)

Biggest drop:
Carlos Sainz Jr. (P3 -> P6)

Max has claimed the lead, passing Lewis after scoring two 10s from us. He is also the driver who, so far this year, is the one most improved compared to 2019 (at +2.238).

The team stats page broke thanks to Hülkenberg, I'll probably bother with those later.
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Penfold on August 13, 2020, 04:45:30 AM
Vettel in 21st... I don't know whether to laugh or cry.  Oh hang on, yes I do, it's option no.1!

Max driving like a demon this year.  Need Barcelona to be (tyre) blisteringly hot to peg back the Mercs - although harder compounds than last race.
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Chrill on August 13, 2020, 06:21:35 AM
Has Vettel truly been the absolute worst driver of the season? Well, probably not the worst. He's driving a Ferrari though, and even with the poor state it's in this year, Leclerc has scored two podiums and a P4. Vettel has scored two P10s and a P6 as his best.
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Penfold on August 13, 2020, 11:55:06 AM
I know that after Hungary I made this remark in the 'MF1 standings' thread: "Still, look on the bright side, I got a sixth place out of Vettel in Hungary... not likely to get much better than that in 2020."

... but I really didn't expect Seb to try and prove me right with such gusto!
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Chrill on August 15, 2020, 02:36:24 AM
Well, on Friday in Spain, he was the third best Ferrari behind Leclerc and Grosjean. That's something.
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Penfold on August 18, 2020, 01:52:14 AM
... and he was the second best guy in a red car across the weekend.  That's also something.
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Chrill on August 18, 2020, 01:53:18 AM
He was the best finisher in a red car this weekend, that's not too shabby at all! I will rate the race, probably this afternoon.
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Penfold on August 18, 2020, 02:01:34 AM
He might not have been that fast, but for keeping those softs alive until the end I'm reckon a 7/10 is due.
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Chrill on August 18, 2020, 02:14:38 AM
I'm tempted to award him a slightly higher score, but I haven't made my mind up. He keeps failing to reach Q3, but I do try to rate the race alone and not the entire weekend.
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Penfold on August 18, 2020, 02:16:25 AM
Ahh, I always factor in qualifying as well.
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Penfold on August 27, 2020, 05:20:20 AM
Ocon rates his 2020 efforts at six out of ten: https://www.racefans.net/2020/08/27/ocon-gives-himself-six-out-of-ten-for-first-races-since-return/

Funnily enough, the two of us combined have also rated him 6/10 this year.
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Chrill on August 27, 2020, 04:39:28 PM
I better rate Spain before it's too late. Maybe I'll rate Ocon a six.
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Penfold on August 28, 2020, 12:05:17 AM
Race is but a foggy memory for me; more than happy to skip it.
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Chrill on August 28, 2020, 01:27:51 AM
I will use the wonders of the Internet to refresh my memory, but without the regular commentary.

(S)pain, Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya.

Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 Team:
Lewis Hamilton - 9/10
Valtteri Bottas - 6/10

Scuderia Ferrari Mission Winnow:
Sebastian Vettel - 9/10
Charles Leclerc - X/10 (Retired with that weird spin at the end of the lap, somewhat halfway through the race)

Aston Martin Red Bull Racing:
Alexander Albon - 6/10
Max Verstappen - 9/10

McLaren F1 Team:
Lando Norris - 6/10
Carlos Sainz Jr. - 8/10

Renault DP World F1 Team:
Daniel Ricciardo - 5/10
Esteban Ocon - 5/10

Scuderia AlphaTauri Honda:
Pierre Gasly - 7/10
Daniil Kvyat - 6/10

BWT Racing Point F1 Team:
Sergio Perez - 8/10
Lance Stroll - 8/10

Alfa Romeo Racing ORLEN:
Kimi Räikkönen - 7/10
Antonio Giovinazzi - 5/10

Haas F1 Team:
Romain Grosjean - 4/10
Kevin Magnussen - 6/10

Williams Racing:
Nicholas Latifi - 5/10
George Russell - 6/10
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Penfold on August 28, 2020, 02:00:55 AM
You fiend, now I'm going to have to score it as well.  Later.  Or maybe even tomorrow.  Yeah, another day will only aid my memory....
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Penfold on August 29, 2020, 03:48:11 AM
The rain in Spain stays mainly in the plain.

Merc:
Hammy - 8
Val - 5

Ferrari:
Seb - 8
'It is I' - X

Red Bull:
Blur - 5
Max - 8

McLaren:
Chuck Norris - 6
Rally Guy's Son - 8

Renault:
Ricky Hairdo - 5
Ocon - 4

Boris Johnson (aka Alpha Tory):
Greasy Peril - 7
The Torpedo - 5

Received Pronunciation:
Perez - 7
The Stroller - 7

Alfauber:
Kimi - 7
Adam Ant - 5

Haas:
Big Jean - 4
Son of Magnus - 6

Williams:
Latifi - 5
Jack Russell - 6

Not perfect but it will do.
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Chrill on September 01, 2020, 05:29:42 AM
Right. The Great Race of Belgium.

Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 Team:
Lewis Hamilton - 8/10 (Definitely dominant, but not as far away from Bottas as we've become accustomed to)
Valtteri Bottas - 7/10 (Kept Verstappen at bay, sometimes looked able to challenge Hamilton, but didn't quite get within DRS range)

Scuderia Ferrari Mission Winnow:
Sebastian Vettel - 7/10 (I don't know if he could have done much more here. It's hard to rate a driver when the car is uncharacteristically slow. Is it slow because of him, or despite him?)
Charles Leclerc - 6/10 (Like Vettel, but behind)

Aston Martin Red Bull Racing:
Alexander Albon - 6/10 (Started well, struggled with the very fast Renaults, and ended up behind them)
Max Verstappen - 7/10 (Failed to keep his tyres alive and backed down a lot at the end, but still a podium. Two more laps? Probably not a podium)

McLaren F1 Team:
Lando Norris - 8/10 (The McLaren wasn't really the fastest in a straight line, but had a rather neutral setup which helped him preserve tyres and push that bit harder)
Carlos Sainz Jr. - X/10

Renault DP World F1 Team:
Daniel Ricciardo - 9/10 (This is a 10, right? Well, maybe not. He had a car that was almost as fast as Verstappen, but finished behind him. Maybe next race he can bring it properly, with an even lower downforce circuit)
Esteban Ocon - 8/10 (He beat Albon not by strategy but by pure pace, but by the time he did he was far behind Ricciardo)

Scuderia AlphaTauri Honda:
Pierre Gasly - 9/10 (The only driver to make an alternative strategy somewhat work, despite the SC working against him)
Daniil Kvyat - 6/10 (It's not good enough, Danny boy. Your car looked good here, you didn't)

BWT Racing Point F1 Team:
Sergio Perez - 6/10 (Suffered from his team making the wrong call)
Lance Stroll - 7/10 (Suffered from lack of top speed)

Alfa Romeo Racing ORLEN:
Kimi Räikkönen - 9/10 (At a power hungry circuit, the Alfa has no business fighting for P11. Kimi did not care, and fought for P11 before settling for 12th. He really does like this track)
Antonio Giovinazzi - 3/10 (It's not the first time Giovinazzi goes off on his own at Spa)

Haas F1 Team:
Romain Grosjean - 7/10 (Ferrari engine)
Kevin Magnussen - 4/10 (Ferrari engine but behind everybody)

Williams Racing:
Nicholas Latifi - 7/10 (Beat the Magnus, and followed Grosjean home. Decent stuff!)
George Russell - X/10
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Penfold on September 07, 2020, 01:29:09 AM
I'll add my Spa ones later today.  Just below these words.

Just below those words:

Merc:
Hammy - 8
Val - 7

Ferrari:
Seb - 7
'It is I' - 6

Red Bull:
Blur - 5
Max - 7

McLaren:
Chuck Norris - 7
Rally Guy's Son - X

Renault:
Ricky Hairdo - 8
Ocon - 7

Boris Johnson (aka Alpha Tory):
Greasy Peril - 9
The Torpedo - 6

Received Pronunciation:
Perez - 7
The Stroller - 6

Alfauber:
Kimi - 9
Adam Ant - 2

Haas:
Big Jean - 7
Son of Magnus - 5

Williams:
Latifi - 6
Jack Russell - X
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Chrill on September 07, 2020, 03:59:56 AM
While we wait for you to do Spa, I will do Monza.

Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 Team:
Lewis Hamilton - 6/10 (Deducting two for pitting under closed pits, a mistake 18 drivers managed to avoid. Still, he was the fastest and would have won easily without all the struggles)
Valtteri Bottas - 4/10 (Awful start, and an engine setting that simply wouldn't let him attack. Had to pull out of the slip stream and failed to overtake when a lot of other drivers made overtakes stick)

Scuderia Ferrari Mission Winnow:
Sebastian Vettel - X/10 (Retired too early to judge)
Charles Leclerc - 6/10 (Looked hot post-Magnussen, perhaps not podium hot but definitely Top 5 hot. Then he did the thing and made this race come true)

Aston Martin Red Bull Racing:
Alexander Albon - 3/10 (I mean...)
Max Verstappen - 4/10 (...where they even in this race?)

McLaren F1 Team:
Lando Norris - 8/10 (Couldn't quite match Sainz, but was still on genuine pace ahead of Red Bull and Mercedes)
Carlos Sainz Jr. - 10/10 (Well. Ran P2 on merit alone, before being caught out by fortunate drivers ahead of him. One lap more, he would have won. He was very close at the finish, and would easily have passed on that lap)

Renault DP World F1 Team:
Daniel Ricciardo - 8/10 (Didn't quite make that tattoo podium happen, but hounded Bottas throughout the race. Bottas, who had DRS on Norris but avoided the slip stream, was too fast down a straight line)
Esteban Ocon - 6/10 (Decent race for sure, but couldn't keep up with Ricciardo)

Scuderia AlphaTauri Honda:
Pierre Gasly - 9/10 (He won the race. How is this not a 10? Well, it could easily be a 10, but his race was a 6 before getting lucky with the SC and subsequent red flag. The bonus 3 points come from building a gap to the cars behind, then managing said gap all the way to the end without making a single mistake. Very mature drive)
Daniil Kvyat - 5/10 (If your team mate wins and you're 9th, that's not good enough. Considering his starting position and the drivers retiring or suffering issues, he actually lost places)

BWT Racing Point F1 Team:
Sergio Perez - 6/10 (A butchered pit stop under SC dropped him behind his rivals, then I think he must've hit somebody because he lacked stability all throughout the second half of the race)
Lance Stroll - 8/10 (Got lucky, for sure, and a made a poor getaway under the restart. Could have won. Still, he ensured Norris never managed to catch him, and secured a solid podium finish)

Alfa Romeo Racing ORLEN:
Kimi Räikkönen - 8/10 (Those softs couldn't take it, but Alfa had to try something different and go aggressive on tyres. Did his best to defend without losing time. Very clean drive, a flash back to the Kimi we know and love)
Antonio Giovinazzi - 4/10 (Did what Lewis did, but obviously didn't have the car to catch anyone)

Haas F1 Team:
Romain Grosjean - 7/10 (The winner of most anonymous race? Surely. P12 looks decent to me)
Kevin Magnussen - X/10 (Retired too early to judge)

Williams Racing:
Nicholas Latifi - 8/10 (Well now! Took the restart 9th, I think, and only dropped two places thanks to passing Räikkönen near the end. Strong drive, really strong drive. I'm impressed, for the first time!)
George Russell - 6/10 (You know, this time it was Russell who failed to match Latifi. That's unusual. I'm expecting a return to form in Mugello, but this weekend he failed to catch his Canadian buddy)

Driver of the day? Well, Sainz. Honorable mention to Gasly, Latifi, and Norris.
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Penfold on September 08, 2020, 02:43:56 AM
Mmmonza!

Merc:
Hammy - 6 - Buggered himself by missing those flashing red lights.
Val - 4 - Buggered himself with a terrible start and then made zero progress.

Ferrari:
Seb - X - Brake failure at an incredibly early stage of the race.  I assume damage caused the over-heating,
'It is I' - 4 - Crashed all by himself.

Red Bull:
Blur - 3 - Christ alive!
Max - 5 - Car not likey this tracky.  Then it got too hot and gave up the ghost.

McLaren:
Chuck Norris - 9 - Would've been a podium but for people being allowed to make their mandatory tyre change under red flags.
Rally Guy's Son - 10 - Deserved to win this one.  Hope he enjoys his time at Ferrari.

Renault:
Ricky Hairdo - 8 - Kept Valerie honest all race.
Ocon - 6 - Can't keep up with Danny boy.

Boris Johnson (aka Alpha Tory):
Greasy Peril - 9 - Fortune got him to the front, calm & controlled driving kept him there.
The Torpedo - 6 - Sort of ran okay at the start, right up on Gasly's tail, but ended up with his normal middling performance.

Received Pronunciation:
Perez - 6 - Poor pit-stop, rest of the race not much better.
The Stroller - 7 - So lucky to make his only stop under red flags. 

Alfauber:
Kimi - 8 - Needed another safety car. Those poor softs must've been begging for mercy by the end.
Adam Ant - 5 - Missed the red lights.

Haas:
Big Jean - 7 - Reasonable.
Son of Magnus - X - Car says no.

Williams - Farewell to one of the greatest teams in F1 history:
Latifi - 8 - His strongest showing thus far.
Jack Russell - 6 - One of his weaker efforts.
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Chrill on September 08, 2020, 09:03:10 AM
Cheers. I hadn't updated the stats since the 70th Anniversary GP, so these numbers reflect the last three races.

Biggest climb:
Pierre Gasly, +6 (P11 -> P5)
Kimi Räikkönen, +5 (P12 -> P7)
Lance Stroll, +3 (P14 -> P11)

Biggest drop:
Valtteri Bottas, -7 (P5 -> P12)
Kevin Magnussen, -4 (P10 -> P14)
Alexander Albon, -3 (P15 -> P18)

We most strongly disagree on the performance of Alexander Albon, with a difference of 0.875 (Me 6.125, you 5.250). Ruling out the 1-timer Hulkenberg, we most closely align on Lando Norris (Me 7.500, you 7.375).

Lewis Hamilton (8.000) is the best driver so far, with Max Verstappen (7.867) and Carlos Sainz (7.714) rounding out the podium. Sebastian Vettel has left the bottom position, which is now occupied by Antonio Giovinazzi (4.688), -0.503 below his 2019 average.

The driver most improved from 2019 to 2020 is Max Verstappen (+1.438). The driver with the worst result compared to 2019 is Charles Leclerc (-1.288). The driver most closely matching their 2019 result is Carlos Sainz (+0.028).

All this and more:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fILMrPMu3i4eSzHIR_ZN7mJCZ9HZX9hsFf5HTSQpzTM/edit?usp=sharing
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Penfold on September 09, 2020, 03:36:33 AM
Poor 'It is I', a couple of particularly bad showings have dragged down his average; actually a similar situation for Vettel only his best races have not been as strong as Leclerc's.  Now the Ant man deserves that bottom rung, one uninspiring effort after another.

Thanks for the update, I do enjoy poring over our scoring stats.  Those tables are a work of art which deserve a wider audience, they really do.
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Chrill on September 09, 2020, 04:07:36 AM
Quote from: Penfold on September 09, 2020, 03:36:33 AM
Thanks for the update, I do enjoy poring over our scoring stats.  Those tables are a work of art which deserve a wider audience, they really do.
Thank you for saying this! I use Sheets in my daily work, but it's fun to utilise those skills for something outside work too.

I've actually considered building a sharing a form and then let Google Sheets compile the stats for me instead. Of course, if we would get more people rating regularly, that would remove the possibility to manage a tab per person (instead doing a tab per race) which would make it more difficult to see what every individual rated over the season.

I am part of a Swedish F1 fan group on Facebook, and I sometimes share the totals there. The consensus is that our ratings are fair, but somewhat fail to account for car performance. I think that's true so some extent, but we rate Russell over Bottas despite Bottas scoring a few points more than the Brit.
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Penfold on September 10, 2020, 04:17:16 AM
I'm sure they have a point re: our ratings not always adjusting perfectly for car performance.  It's not the easiest thing to do, especially when cars vary so much depending on track characteristics - unless you're in a Mercedes!  Quite a chunk of it has to go on team-mate comparison, but that has its obvious limitations, particularly if the team-mate in question is inconsistent and/or new to F1 and so an unknown quantity.

Edit: I will say though, that not only do we rate Bottas lower than both Russell and Stroll, but we've got Albon sandwiched between Kvyat and Latifi.  Clearly not getting much of a boost from being in the second best car!
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Chrill on September 10, 2020, 05:21:51 AM
Albon may be driving the 2nd fastest car, but not the 2nd best car when considering how narrow an operating window he has, and how on-edge the car is. In the case of Albon and Bottas, they probably suffer from driving championship contender cars.
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Penfold on September 11, 2020, 08:25:28 AM
... and Vettel's in a car that doesn't suit his driving style.  Get everything out of the car you've got or be ready to find a new berth.

Been disappointed with Bottas this year, seems further off Hammy than in 2019... or is that my imagination?

Edit: Then he goes and beats Lewis in practice. 
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Chrill on September 11, 2020, 01:41:06 PM
Remember Silverstone. If only Hamilton's tyres had gone one lap earlier, and Bottas one lap later, this would still be a tight championship battle.

Bottas seems to lose motivation when he sees the championship slip. That's why he is usually strong in the early parts of the season (winning the opener both this year and last). Once Hamilton catches up, Bottas drops back.
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Chrill on September 26, 2020, 01:47:08 PM
Looks like we forgot Mugello.
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Penfold on September 26, 2020, 03:28:54 PM
Memorable race but with 8 DNFs not a great one for scoring. Let's get back into it with Russia.
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Chrill on October 12, 2020, 04:56:43 AM
Looks like we forgot Sochi.
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Penfold on October 12, 2020, 07:25:10 AM
Let's get back into it with Germany...?
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Chrill on October 12, 2020, 08:52:25 AM
Yes.

Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 Team:
Lewis Hamilton - 7/10 (Was slower than Bottas, but Bottas locked up and then the Finn's engine said good night)
Valtteri Bottas - 8/10 (Had the edge, fought back hard out of turn 1 in an uncharacteristic and impressive way. Then locked up, then went bye bye)

Scuderia Ferrari Mission Winnow:
Sebastian Vettel - 3/10 (P11, first person to choose tyres. Lots and lots of DNFs, still finished P11. What? Bad. Baaaaad. BAAD)
Charles Leclerc - 8/10 (Made his tyres last well, but was slightly unfortunate with the Safety Car timing. Still, solid points)

Aston Martin Red Bull Racing:
Alexander Albon - 3/10 (Really not a great race. Deducting one for literally crashing into Kvyat)
Max Verstappen - 8/10 (Did what he could, easily outpaced his team mate and the rest of the midfield in a near unprecedented way. Still, didn't match the Mercedes cars in pure race pace)

McLaren F1 Team:
Lando Norris - 8/10 (Battled Perez and Ricciardo for that podium position. And then like, sort of, stopped, sort of)
Carlos Sainz Jr. - 8/10 (Found his way past Gasly and Leclerc after the SC period, and was actually not far behind Ric and Per for that P3 battle)

Renault DP World F1 Team:
Daniel Ricciardo - 10/10 (Despite a dodgy strategy, he kept it alive until the safety car. Bonus point for Arbiteboul tattoo)
Esteban Ocon - 7/10 (He was decent, and then his car did a Bottas/Norris thing)

Scuderia AlphaTauri Honda:
Pierre Gasly - 8/10 (I wasn't really sure he did a good race. And then he came alive with the SC, and finished sixth. Nice)
Daniil Kvyat - 6/10 (I mean, he suffered a lot from Albon running over the front wing. Like, a lot. So it's OK he finished last, I suppose)

BWT Racing Point F1 Team:
Sergio Perez - 8/10 (Ah, come on guys. This just makes my document even more messy, Perez v Hulkenberg? Oh well. Great stuff, not quite enough for the podium)
Nico Hülkenberg - 9/10 (Maybe I should just rate him a 10? Maybe, yeah. I'm not going to, though. The fact is, he actually didn't pass any cars he should be able to. The slow Ferrari of Vettel was no match, but the faster Ferrari of Leclerc was. Despite Leclerc's older harder tyres)

Alfa Romeo Racing ORLEN:
Kimi Räikkönen - 6/10 (Very unfairly punished in that Russel incident. Lost his downforce behind Vettel, tried to catch the car, Russell was there. I disagree with the 10s penalty. Couldn't hold on to points from there)
Antonio Giovinazzi - 8/10 (Actually pretty good stuff from Toni! P14 to P10, but really he did lose out to some people he should not have lost out too, such as RoGro. Still, credit where it's due, he outscored Kimi)

Haas F1 Team:
Romain Grosjean - 9/10 (Haas gambled on letting Romain stay out with hard tyres. That looked like a stupid idea. Romain was like "I got this". And scored two points. Bold strategy, he pulled it off. Great!)
Kevin Magnussen - 4/10 (He's literally only ahead of Latifi and the stricken AlphaTauri of Kvyat. Even lost out to penalised Kimi. Boo)

Williams Racing:
Nicholas Latifi - 6/10 (Well, he battled hard with Kvyat at the end and came out on top. Must've been the most exciting moments in his short F1 career)
George Russell - X/10 (Did he retire too early to rate? Maybe not. He perhaps deserves a rating)
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Penfold on October 12, 2020, 09:29:51 AM
Ahh, so there is someone else who shares my view of the Kimi/Russell incident.  Everybody seems convinced the penalty was well deserved, including C4 pundit David Coulthard who later railed against Albon's lesser punishment for stupidly driving into Kvyat.  Talking of Albon, much like Kimi he lost control under braking into turn 1 when looking to make a move, but because his intended victim (Latifi, I think) veered off track there was no collision - there was also no criticism by DC of this out-of-control moment.  Not even a "he was lucky to get away with that" type of remark.
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Penfold on October 19, 2020, 03:35:35 AM
Germany:

Merc:
Hammy - 7
Val - 7

Ferrari:
Seb - 4
'It is I' - 8

Red Bull:
Blur - 3
Max - 8

McLaren:
Chuck Norris - 8
Rally Guy's Son - 7

Renault:
Ricky Hairdo - 9
Ocon - 7

Boris Johnson (aka Alpha Tory):
Greasy Peril - 7
The Torpedo - 6

Received Pronunciation:
Perez - 9
Nico 'Super Sub' Hulkenberg - 9

Alfauber:
Kimi - 7
Adam Ant - 8

Haas:
Big Jean - 9
Son of Magnus - 4

Williams:
Latifi - 5
Jack Russell - X
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Chrill on October 26, 2020, 05:45:25 AM
Let's rate Portugal! Beautiful country, visited in 2016. Loved it. The race? Ah, pretty damn cool too

Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 Team:
Lewis Hamilton - 8/10 (Horrid start, just failed to switch the mediums on completely and lost out to Bottas and Sainz. Well, was definitely the faster Merc once they got going)
Valtteri Bottas - 6/10 (Better start than Lewis, but still lost out to Sainz before letting Lewis pass too. Safe P2)

Scuderia Ferrari Mission Winnow:
Sebastian Vettel - 6/10 (Hard to rate him when his team mate scored 11 points more, but still. P15 to P10 is always better than going backwards)
Charles Leclerc - 9/10 (Qualifying 4th was impressive, and suffered much like Mercedes at the start but fought back and easily outpaced everyone in the midfield. Actually the last driver not lapped)

Aston Martin Red Bull Racing:
Alexander Albon - 3/10 (No. Just no)
Max Verstappen - 8/10 (Messy start, but found his way back pretty darn well)

McLaren F1 Team:
Lando Norris - 6/10 (Ran well before suffering a puncture, forcing him to pit)
Carlos Sainz Jr. - 8/10 (Great start, but couldn't keep his softs alive and slipped back ever so slightly. Found his way back past Perez near the end, but could not catch Gasly)

Renault DP World F1 Team:
Daniel Ricciardo - 7/10 (Pretty invisible race really, but ran a proper stint on those mediums. Lingered near the lower points all race)
Esteban Ocon - 8/10 (Start behind team mate, finish ahead of them? Always a good race, then)

Scuderia AlphaTauri Honda:
Pierre Gasly - 9/10 (Well, if Renault does want to pick him up I'm sure he'd do well there. AlphaTauri is a waste of his capacity)
Daniil Kvyat - 3/10 (Heh)

BWT Racing Point F1 Team:
Sergio Perez - 9/10 (There we go. Race incident with Verstappen, dead last, then fought back to finish 7th. 5th was on for a bit too!)
Lance Stroll - 4/10 (This weekend just did not work. Sorry, Lance)

Alfa Romeo Racing ORLEN:
Kimi Räikkönen - 9/10 (Iceman or Rocketman? Ran 6th after the first lap despite exiting turn 1 in 16th. Failed to score points, only just, but ran a great race)
Antonio Giovinazzi - 5/10 (He had nothing on his Finnish friend)

Haas F1 Team:
Romain Grosjean - 4/10 (Last Ferrari engined car out there, due in part to not driving on the road very often)
Kevin Magnussen - 5/10 (Last Ferrari engined car out there, until his team mate was penalised for not knowing where the road was)

Williams Racing:
Nicholas Latifi - 5/10 (Classic Latifi performance. Beat only Kvyat)
George Russell - 8/10 (If indeed Williams lets him go, let's hope he still has a future at Mercedes. He deserves a go)

Driver of the race? Well, Perez and Leclerc both spring to mind. So too does Kimi and Pierre.
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Penfold on October 28, 2020, 03:03:24 AM
I can't score Portimao. Too furious with what DRS did to the race.  To see the guys like Kimi who nailed the first lap then just get driven past without any chance of a fight, well that's not any sort of racing that interests me.  Any of the other races likely to have a massively over-powered DRS zone are going to be a pass from me now on.  I don't see the point of watching them.  Congratulations F1, it took you over three decades to wear me down but you've finally done it.

Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Chrill on November 16, 2020, 01:14:06 AM
Felt like doing some more ratings, now.

Turkey? Turturkeykey? Yup, that's it.

Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 Team:
Lewis Hamilton - 10/10 (What else can you ask than for a driver to start 6th and end up winning with a full pit stop's margin? Those intermedislicks looked tired (eeeeh!) at the end. 7-time world champ)
Valtteri Bottas - 2/10 (That was the polar opposite of a World Champion drive. Ugh)

Scuderia Ferrari Mission Winnow:
Sebastian Vettel - 9/10 (Huzzah! Welcome back to the podium, Seb. We didn't expect it this season)
Charles Leclerc - 8/10 (On course for a 9 or 10, but a single move at the end moved him from P2 to P4. Ah well, still a great race for Ferrari especially considering their Saturday)

Aston Martin Red Bull Racing:
Alexander Albon - 7/10 (I'm sure he spun once or twice, but especially during the mid-part of the race he looked able to battle for the win. Got slightly lost in strategy)
Max Verstappen - 5/10 (Spun many many times. Starting from the front, he failed to start and just never really got back. Way too agressive driving saw him spun multiple times on his way to a mediocre P6)

McLaren F1 Team:
Lando Norris - 7/10 (Drove a fairly unassuming race for 80%, but in the latter stages lapped two seconds faster than anyone. All it did was move him ahead of Stroll and into no mans land, never able to catch those in front)
Carlos Sainz Jr. - 9/10 (Definitely would be on for a podium if the race was just a single lap longer)

Renault DP World F1 Team:
Daniel Ricciardo - 6/10 (Points! I can barely remember seeing him this race, except when he spun his team mate to avoid crashing with Hamilton)
Esteban Ocon - X/10 (This seems a harsh X, but he was never given a fair chance after being hit twice in the very first lap)

Scuderia AlphaTauri Honda:
Pierre Gasly - 4/10 (I guess the AlphaTauri doesn't work when it's raining)
Daniil Kvyat - 5/10 (Like Gasly, but one place closer to the front)

BWT Racing Point F1 Team:
Sergio Perez - 10/10 (He did what Hamilton did, and made sure his intermedislicks lasted the distance. Just. Came under immense pressure, but kept his cool and let Leclerc lose it. Even when his replacement drives his best race this season, the Mexican stays ahead. Good, great, awesome drive)
Lance Stroll - 8/10 (Definitely a race of two halves. First 50% was easily 10/10, 2nd half was more like 5/10. That averages out to 7.5, and is rounded up to eight)

Alfa Romeo Racing ORLEN:
Kimi Räikkönen - 5/10 (I guess the Alfa Romeo, much like the Alfa Tory, doesn't work when it's raining)
Antonio Giovinazzi - 2/10 (Back to basics for Antonio, making himself look absolutely unworthy of a drive in F1)

Haas F1 Team:
Romain Grosjean - 3/10 (I guess the Haas, much like the Alfa and the Alpha, doesn't work when it's raining)
Kevin Magnussen - 5/10 (Like Grosjean, but without a late DNF and a shirtload of spins)

Williams Racing:
Nicholas Latifi - 1/10 (We thought Giovinazzi was the worst driver in this race. We were mistaken)
George Russell - 7/10 (From the pit lane, he found his way past the Alfas at least. That's something)

Driver of the race? Well, Perez and Hamilton both spring to mind here. Becoming a 7-time WC, I guess I have to hand the coveted "Chrill's driver of the race award" to Lewis.
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Penfold on November 16, 2020, 04:24:47 AM
I'll do mine in a day or two.

Watching it on extended highlights as you know, so whenever they cut to Valerie he was just about to spin or at least slither off the track. Quite funny really, whenever he popped up on screen I'd say "oh, not again!"... and then he'd do a little pirouette!
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Chrill on November 17, 2020, 12:56:00 AM
"Why don't you come on over, Valerie?"
"Wait where are you? I can't see you"

I figure that's what happened. He was looking for Amy Winehouse. Or, well, the Zutons.
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Penfold on November 18, 2020, 01:13:21 AM
Turkey - Going to be good scores for anyone who kept it together in those conditions:

Merc:
Hammy - 10 - Do I need to explain why?
Val - 2 - Ditto.

Ferrari:
Seb - 9
'It is I' - 8

Red Bull:
Blur - 6
Max - 5

McLaren:
Chuck Norris - 7
Rally Guy's Son - 9

Renault:
Ricky Hairdo - 6
Ocon - X - Agree on this, impossible to score fairly.

Boris Johnson (aka Alpha Tory):
Greasy Peril - 5
The Torpedo - 6

Received Pronunciation:
Perez - 10
Stroller - 8 - Wing damage took the wind out of his sails but otherwise an impressive weekend.

Alfauber:
Kimi - 6
Adam Ant - 2

Haas:
Big Jean - 4
Son of Magnus - 5

Williams:
Latifi - 1 - Sorely tempted to go for zero....
Jack Russell - 7


Not entirely happy with my scoring of the smaller guys, but it was hard to keep track of them on C4's partial coverage.
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Chrill on November 30, 2020, 03:12:16 AM
Do we rate Romain 0 for causing a collision, or 10 for surviving it?
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Penfold on November 30, 2020, 03:20:04 AM
Think I'll go with an X
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Chrill on December 07, 2020, 01:18:56 AM
We didn't rate Bahrain. Fatigue from the insane frequency of races, for my part. I'll try doing Sakhir though.
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Chrill on December 07, 2020, 02:50:36 AM
Sakhir! Let's mess about with the driver lineups, woohoo.

Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 Team:
Valtteri Bottas - 5/10 (Can't be blamed for the tyre mixup, and was brought back out on his old hard which had, by then, cooled down for half a minute and totally lost all grip and temperature. Hopeless position from there)
George Russell - 10/10 (Obviously a 10. Obviously. That overtake on Bottas was 10 on its own, but taking the lead at the start and fighting back twice to still score points? Amazing drive)

Scuderia Ferrari Mission Winnow:
Sebastian Vettel - 6/10 (The Ferrari wasn't great here...)
Charles Leclerc - 2/10 (...but missing your braking point so badly? That's worse than not great)

Aston Martin Red Bull Racing:
Alexander Albon - 6/10 (Not good enough, Alex. Your closest rival for that seat won, and should have finished on the podium three times in a row by now)
Max Verstappen - X/10 (I mean, must not have known there was a gravel trap beyond turn 4. Went past the Leclerc-Perez incident way too fast)

McLaren F1 Team:
Lando Norris - 6/10 (Was looking real good for a while, despite starting 19th. Sort of dropped off with the safety cars, perhaps the timing did not suit him?)
Carlos Sainz Jr. - 8/10 (P4! Sure, should have been P6 with the Mercs, but still)

Renault DP World F1 Team:
Daniel Ricciardo - 7/10 (Good pace, but not quite able to match his team mate)
Esteban Ocon - 9/10 (Even without Mercedes messing up, this was a P4 when Verstappen disappeared. Really solid drive, kept his tyres alive well)

Scuderia AlphaTauri Honda:
Pierre Gasly - 5/10 (Got caught out like Norris? I guess so. Should have scored points)
Daniil Kvyat - 8/10 (Also got caught out with SC, but his raw pace was good. At one point looked able to challenge the Astons and Alpines for that bronze medal before everything happened)

BWT Racing Point F1 Team:
Sergio Perez - 11/10 (I'm going to Spinal Tap this one, turn it up to 11. He was dead last, and must have suffered some damage to the tray with that shunt from Leclerc. He should not have found his way up to P3, and then with Mercedes messing up he should not have built a TEN SECOND GAP to the rest of the field. He won by over ten seconds. Come on Horner, come on Marko. Sign this guy!)
Lance Stroll - 8/10 (Like the rest of the top 3 he enjoyed the Safety Car very much. Still, he kept Carlos Sainz behind and made Racing Point the 4th team of the current engine era to get two drivers on the podium. Does that mean they're no longer a midfield team? Vettel should enjoy this car next year)

Alfa Romeo Racing ORLEN:
Kimi Räikkönen - 4/10 (Spun around at the start, and I guess got damaged. Battled Aitken and Fittipaldi most of the race)
Antonio Giovinazzi - 6/10 (Was faster than Kimi all weekend, but unable to show it with the SC)

Haas F1 Team:
Pietro Fittipaldi - 8/10 (A pretty damn solid start to what I assume will only be a 2-race career in Formula 1)
Kevin Magnussen - 5/10 (Fairly invisible all race, ahead of only the rookies by the end)

Williams Racing:
Nicholas Latifi - 5/10 (Barely able to keep ahead of Aitken, not at all impressive)
Jack Aitken - 7/10 (Looked real good until he did that thing with the front wing and all. Still, a solid debut. If Russell gets a second go at Mercedes, Aitken will be a threat to Latifi)



Driver of the day? Russell did the second best drive of anyone this year. It's just a shame Perez did the best drive in the very same race.

Please use this layout next season, or at least alternate between them every year.
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Chrill on January 15, 2021, 01:23:16 AM
We clearly lost interest in this, but let's compare our ratings to those of racefans.net:


Racefans                    Our Ratings
20. Nicholas Latifi         20. Antonio Giovinazzi (-4)
19. Sebastian Vettel        19. Nicholas Latifi (+1)
18. Alexander Albon         18. Alexander Albon (+0)
17. Romain Grosjean         17. Sebastian Vettel (+2)
16. Antonio Giovinazzi      16. Kevin Magnussen (TBD)
15. TBD                     15. Daniil Kvyat (TBD)
14. TBD                     14. Romain Grosjean (+3)
13. TBD                     13. Valtteri Bottas (TBD)
12. TBD                     12. Esteban Ocon (TBD)
11. TBD                     11. Charles Leclerc (TBD)
10. TBD                     10. Lance Stroll (TBD)
09. TBD                     09. Kimi Räikkönen (TBD)
08. TBD                     08. George Russell (TBD)
07. TBD                     07. Pierre Gasly (TBD)
06. TBD                     06. Daniel Ricciardo (TBD)
05. TBD                     05. Lando Norris (TBD)
04. TBD                     04. Max Verstappen (TBD)
03. TBD                     03. Sergio Pérez (TBD)
02. TBD                     02. Carlos Sainz Jr. (TBD)
01. TBD                     01. Lewis Hamilton (TBD)


I have excluded Nico Hülkenberg since he only did 2 races. Same for Fittipaldi and Aitken.

Personally, I feel like Carlos Sainz, Lando Norris, and Daniel Ricciardo are rated too highly. I feel like Leclerc and Kvyat are rated too low. Perhaps that depends on our skewing toward earlier races, where said drivers under or overperformed.

I'd agree that Max is behind Perez, and that Perez is perhaps 2nd only to Lewis Hamilton, so if we'd just move Sainz to 4th with Gasly 5th I'd be happy.

Hey, let's do my post-season opinions!

1. Lewis Hamilton
2. Sergio Pérez
3. Max Verstappen
4. Carlos Sainz
5. Pierre Gasly
6. Lando Norris
7. George Russell
8. Daniel Ricciardo
9. Charles Leclerc
10. Lance Stroll
11. Kimi Räikkönen
12. Esteban Ocon
13. Valtteri Bottas
14. Daniil Kvyat
15. Kevin Magnussen
16. Antonio Giovinazzi
17. Romain Grosjean
18. Alexander Albon
19. Sebastian Vettel
20. Nicholas Latifi

I'll update that top table as Racefans announce more of their ratings.
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Matt on January 15, 2021, 12:41:44 PM
1. Hamilton
2. Verstappen
3. Perez

I don't think any driver was truly bad. Vettel, Giovinazzi, Latifi, and Albon are my bottom four (not in order) because they were convincingly beaten by their teammates. Pretty much everyone else falls somewhere in the middle. Ricciardo would be ahead of Ocon and Gasly ahead of Kvyat. I don't see much of a separation between Norris and Sainz or Magnussen and Grosjean.

Perez is my favorite driver and he did a great job, but I don't think he should be ahead of Max. Max absolutely destroyed his teammate and was an easy third (or better) almost every race he didn't have problems. He also didn't make many mistakes. Perez came on strong at the end of the season, but Stroll was competitive with him fairly often and the early season was a bunch of missed opportunities.
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Chrill on January 20, 2021, 05:18:22 AM
Some more drivers revealed.



Racefans                    Our Ratings
20. Nicholas Latifi         20. Antonio Giovinazzi (-4)
19. Sebastian Vettel        19. Nicholas Latifi (+1)
18. Alexander Albon         18. Alexander Albon (+0)
17. Romain Grosjean         17. Sebastian Vettel (+2)
16. Antonio Giovinazzi      16. Kevin Magnussen (TBD)
15. Lance Stroll            15. Daniil Kvyat (-2)
14. Esteban Ocon            14. Romain Grosjean (+3)
13. Daniil Kvyat            13. Valtteri Bottas (TBD)
12. TBD                     12. Esteban Ocon (+2)
11. TBD                     11. Charles Leclerc (TBD)
10. TBD                     10. Lance Stroll (+5)
09. TBD                     09. Kimi Räikkönen (TBD)
08. TBD                     08. George Russell (TBD)
07. TBD                     07. Pierre Gasly (TBD)
06. TBD                     06. Daniel Ricciardo (TBD)
05. TBD                     05. Lando Norris (TBD)
04. TBD                     04. Max Verstappen (TBD)
03. TBD                     03. Sergio Pérez (TBD)
02. TBD                     02. Carlos Sainz Jr. (TBD)
01. TBD                     01. Lewis Hamilton (TBD)


So, clearly we have been much too harsh to K-Mag. Racefans seem to think he's top 12, we put him 16th. We are also much too kind to Lance Stroll, it appears. He's our P10, but he's 15th on Racefans.
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Matt on January 20, 2021, 11:28:02 AM
Stroll in 15th makes no sense. Perez blew him away in points down the stretch, but Stroll did have a bunch of issues that were not his fault during that stretch.
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Chrill on January 20, 2021, 12:29:19 PM
Stroll put on some pretty strong displays of his own this year, including of course the pole position in Istanbul. I'd highlight Sakhir too, of course. And he was on the podium in Italy, no? So to me, 15th is just not correct by Racefans.
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Penfold on January 26, 2021, 05:13:32 AM
Also can't understand Stroll in 15th, he was a mid-level performer in my mind.  I mean, how has he been rated lower than Kvyat?
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Matt on January 26, 2021, 10:50:54 AM
Vergne: Beat Kvyat (and got fired for it!)
Ricciardo: (Lost to Kvyat, but Kvyat got dropped soon after!)
Sainz: Beat Kvyat
Albon: Didn't beat Kvyat (and got promoted for it!)
Gasly: Beat Kvyat

Maybe Red Bull (and everyone else) needs to stop comparing people to Kvyat. This is the first time I've ever realized that the only teammate Kvyat has ever beaten in points over a full season is Ricciardo, probably the best teammate he has had.
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Chrill on January 27, 2021, 01:55:58 AM

Racefans                    Our Ratings (compared to Racefans)
20. Nicholas Latifi         20. Antonio Giovinazzi (-4)
19. Sebastian Vettel        19. Nicholas Latifi (+1)
18. Alexander Albon         18. Alexander Albon (+0)
17. Romain Grosjean         17. Sebastian Vettel (+2)
16. Antonio Giovinazzi      16. Kevin Magnussen (-5)
15. Lance Stroll            15. Daniil Kvyat (-2)
14. Esteban Ocon            14. Romain Grosjean (+3)
13. Daniil Kvyat            13. Valtteri Bottas (TBD)
12. Kimi Räikkönen          12. Esteban Ocon (+2)
11. Kevin Magnussen         11. Charles Leclerc (TBD)
10. Lando Norris            10. Lance Stroll (+5)
09. George Russell          09. Kimi Räikkönen (+3)
08. TBD                     08. George Russell (+1)
07. TBD                     07. Pierre Gasly (TBD)
06. TBD                     06. Daniel Ricciardo (TBD)
05. TBD                     05. Lando Norris (+5)
04. TBD                     04. Max Verstappen (TBD)
03. TBD                     03. Sergio Pérez (TBD)
02. TBD                     02. Carlos Sainz Jr. (TBD)
01. TBD                     01. Lewis Hamilton (TBD)


Kevin was 11th (compared to 16th with us) and Lando 10th (compared to 5th with us). I cannot possibly agree that Norris and Magnussen were almost equally good in 2020. That's just not what we saw on track.

Russell in 9th is fair though. We had him at 8, so that's pretty much the same. Kimi 12th to 9th feels fair enough too, Kimi was slower at the end of 2020 when we rated fewer races.
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Matt on January 27, 2021, 10:58:00 AM
It's basically impossible for me to rate Grosjean or Magnussen. Their car was junk and they're not that different from each other on performance, so who knows?
Title: Re: 2020 Season - Rate the Drivers
Post by: Chrill on January 27, 2021, 12:03:43 PM
My take is that you can only truly compete with your team mate, so I tend not to rate both drivers in one team too highly. The exception to that is McLaren, where to me it seems as though the car was pushed to the limit by both Sainz and Norris.